Speed (mhz) != Performance

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Fri Oct 24, 2003 3:45 pm

I've said it before and even tried explaining it with a little more technical stuff. However, I'd like to point you guys to this article:

Why isn't Intel telling the whole Centrino story?

Read the whole thing and it will tell you what's up. As I've said in the forums, the Pentium-M is based on the PIII architecture and thus is more efficient then the P4. However, the P4 can be clocked a lot faster.

Which one performs better?

The Pentium-M (Centrino). The article goes into how people are confused since Intel has been selling the speed game the entire time and the fact the P-M runs at 1.6 Ghz compared to a P4 @ 2.4 Ghz confuses them. The Pentium-M is also more expensive and yet to them, it appears slower.

This is exactly what I've been trying to explain and also why AMD has a slower clock and yet comprable (if not better) performance. It would appear Intel has just tripped on it's own marketing machine that marketed speed as what you need. They're confused since if they market the Pentium-M as better, they pretty much destroy all their hardwork in convincing consumers that Mhz is what matters.

In fact, the article also talks about the lawsuit filed against Intel for misrepresenting their performance with false advertising and so on. I already knew about this, but figured I'd bring this up since it's related. It's possible that they're not marketing the Pentium-M like this since that would pretty much have them admitting that they've been misleading consumers.

Discuss.

chuckg31 · Post by **chuckg31** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 3:17 am

Hey Dwchang. Don't you work for AMD? The reason that I currently dislike Intel is because their whole major marketing strategy is or was (after the centrino deal) based basically on fooling the consumer. I mean WTF?

On a separate note.
What does the "EE" on the end of the new P4 "EE"'s stand for? And what are the major differences between the Athlon 64 FX and the Athlon 64 3200+?

And have you seen the Toms Hardware video where they directly compared the processors in terms of benchmarking?

Hitori · Post by **Hitori** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 3:34 am

chuckg31 wrote:On a separate note.
What does the "EE" on the end of the new P4 "EE"'s stand for?

Extreme Edition...

Anime2Envy · Post by **Anime2Envy** » Sun Oct 26, 2003 11:35 am

As I've said in the forums, the Pentium-M is based on the PIII architecture and thus is more efficient then the P4. However, the P4 can be clocked a lot faster.

This is quite true. I think most people like to say "The numbers on my computer are bigger then yours!" I am running a single P3 Tualatin at 1.4Ghz and it kills most P4's under 2.0 Ghz. I can't wait untill I can get my second processor for this mobo, it will be great.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 5:11 pm

chuckg31 wrote:Hey Dwchang. Don't you work for AMD? The reason that I currently dislike Intel is because their whole major marketing strategy is or was (after the centrino deal) based basically on fooling the consumer. I mean WTF?

On a separate note.
What does the "EE" on the end of the new P4 "EE"'s stand for? And what are the major differences between the Athlon 64 FX and the Athlon 64 3200+?

And have you seen the Toms Hardware video where they directly compared the processors in terms of benchmarking?

Yes for the 9 millionth time, I work for AMD

As Hitori has said, the "EE" stands for Extreme Edition and they are trying to market it to gamers. Funny since it's just a P4 Xeon, but anyway....

Difference between Athlon 64 3200 and FX? The major thing is probably the cache difference. I believe the FX has a 1 MB L2 cache and the 64 3200+ has a 256k or 512k. I think the FX also has more Hypertransport links.

Kenshin8518 · Post by **Kenshin8518** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 5:57 pm

Well we are now seeing the fall of Intel. I am beginning to believe that AMD will soon overpower Intel in the world of processors. Intel just tripped, and the only way to go for them now is down.....

I admit that when I first got into computers, I thought that speed=MHz, but soon realized it wasn't, and went with AMD for my processor on my home-built cpu. After reading that article, I could only sigh. They used to be something, when their P3 was out, but they slowly made their own grave. I acutally think that when AMD became big, that's the time when Intel started to fall (not to blame AMD). I, in fact, have much better preformance on my 1.3 Ghz AMD Athlon XP then my friend is with his P4 @ 2.0 GHz. The fact i see is, Intel is a big liar, and the masses are catching on.

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:00 pm

dwchang wrote:Hypertransport links.

What? What?

::does google search::

oh...

too many big words.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Thu Oct 30, 2003 6:16 pm

Lyrs wrote:
dwchang wrote:Hypertransport links.
What? What?

::does google search::

oh... too many big words.

Hmm...I wonder how much I can say. I imagine this is public since it's well...released now. Basically it's an I/O interface on the northbridge that allows for 3.2 Gigabits/second (or is it 4.6) or some astronomically high value.

So yeah...hypertransport = super fast I/O interface on the northbridge.

I laugh because Intel is copying us (again) and trying to implement the same thing now. Then again, they don't wanna use our name (just like how they don't wanna use the AMD 64 ISA and will add like two Intel only instructions to ours) and will try and jerry-rig it so they don't have to use our name and patents.

XD

bum · Post by **bum** » Sun Nov 09, 2003 10:12 am

i think that intel concentrate too much in the power of the Mhz and little els. they dont finly craft and tune their cpu's as well as amd does. then again, the p4 2.4C can be safely overclocked to 3.3 , which is prety cool. then again, its allmost summer in australia and running your cpu at stock speeds will get it too freeze. ah, fuck

SS5_Majin_Bebi · Post by **SS5_Majin_Bebi** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 1:41 am

bum wrote:i think that intel concentrate too much in the power of the Mhz and little els. they dont finly craft and tune their cpu's as well as amd does. then again, the p4 2.4C can be safely overclocked to 3.3 , which is prety cool. then again, its allmost summer in australia and running your cpu at stock speeds will get it too freeze. ah, fuck

Heh...it is almost summer here isn't it... Freaky weather lately though... coz the sun is freaking out or something...the most sunspots in an entire millenium are happening now... they think we're in for a huge magnetic storm as well... that should be interesting... but back on topic now..

Well, Intel are basically in bed with Microsoft, its not a wonder they're full of shit.

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