Scoring Output/Capture quality

WilLoW :--) · Post by **WilLoW :--)** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:31 pm

flint_the_dwarf wrote:
Esrhan wrote:Tash wanted a better example, let's see...
Memories Dance - it surely doesn't deserve an average of 9.69
Engel - I mean c'mon! It's a VHS capture with a bloody distortion in the bottom. How in the hell can it get a nine?
Agreed, I would give Memories Dance (even though it's my third favorite video ever) about a 7.5 if I could. I'd give Engel a 6.

Please remember that these vids are quite old now, and maybe they deserved these marks when they were done... Also, some people give their mark according to the convention version of these videos. As far as I know, Engel was edited from a VideoLaserDisc. The video we have on the org is a rip from the VHS that was used at a con, I think...

Plus it's always disturbing to give a bad mark in this field to a video that would deserve a high average...

but yeah, with the currents standards, older vids would deserve lower video quality marks...but well...

Esrhan · Post by **Esrhan** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:37 pm

I was certain that someone would bring that issue up sooner or later, WilLoW :--) but even some of the newest AMV's get a higher score than they deserve. I'll see if I can find examples...

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Mon Oct 13, 2003 3:37 pm

Tash wrote:Thats a bad example, get something where ops arn't rigged.

x2...sort of.

Go to the "top 10%" and see how many vids he has with that high of a score. Then go watch them.

I know that sounds like a personal attack, but I could extrapolate that to a lot of videos. People just generally over-rate things when they like it. It would appear this creator has a fairly loyal fanbase and thus he gets high scores. I wouldn't say "rigged" per se. Just say he has a loyal fanbase.

It's just an opinion and not fact. You're entitled to yours as well Esrhan and thus can do an op yourself. I am more along your lines for scoring.

fyrtenheimer · Post by **fyrtenheimer** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 8:23 am

AbsoluteDestiny wrote:I've been given low score for capture quality on a distro encode which was as good as modern technology could allow... because they didnt like the anime.

Go figure

That's like someone giving you a lower score on the Sound Quality because they don't understand the song. They don't speak Spanish.

Esrhan · Post by **Esrhan** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 2:46 pm

Another example of ignorance...
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members ... hp?v=24961

A caption average of 9.25 with four opinions. I watched that vid and I'd give it an 8 or 7.

Farlo · Post by **Farlo** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 3:49 pm

i vote for output, on how good it looks fullscreen.

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Wed Oct 15, 2003 5:33 pm

el_farlo wrote:i vote for output, on how good it looks fullscreen.

That's usually how i votes as well.

Warpwind · Post by **Warpwind** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 2:00 am

I vote it on how it looks full screen... and mark it down if there are any subs/logos, pixelated sections and if it jumps from widescreen to full screen (Just a personal hate of mine I prefer it all to be in one aspect ratio).

Do you judge videos differently if you are told the sourse is VHS rather than DVD?

If I'm told the video is a VHS source then I may mark it higher because I know you can't get a VHS source to look as good as a DVD source. (Not that a VHS source will ever get a 10 out of me but a good one will get a 9 or 8 )

Arigatomina · Post by **Arigatomina** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 5:29 am

I do judge differently for vhs and dvd footage. If an anime is only available on vhs (discounting immoral bootlegs, of course), then I may very well give a good looking video a 10 - even if I know it isn't dvd footage. I've seen some that were cleaned up so well I'd never have know the difference if they hadn't warned me. On the other hand, a vhs vid with quality that looks like 'okay - 8 range' dvd rips may get a 9 from me. I think it's harder to get vhs to look that good, and far too easy to make dvd rips come out nice and clean.

Since I know what perfect dvd footage looks like (rarely happens, but I've seen it), I don't have a very high average for dvd ripped vids. But I only give a 7 or lower if I notice visible flaws. 8 for 'okay, but could be unlceaned vhs footage,' 9 for nice, just a bit of tweaking and you'll have it. I rarely give 10s.

I also take into account the format of the vid. I score 'tougher' with xvid encodes since I know how easy it is to make that look perfect. With mpg I'm a little more lenient - the person chose accessibility over perfection, and I don't score badly for making that choice.

I'd say the difference in my scoring for mpg versus xvid can be compared with my scoring system for vhs versus dvd - the easier it is to make the quality perfect, the harder I am to please.

Esrhan · Post by **Esrhan** » Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:06 am

I really don't know whether to totally disagree with Arigatomyna's opinion or just take that as a general point of view.
It seems odd, that just because something is easier to do you think it requires extra attention with it's nice, clean look? Should it really matter how something is done and not just concentrate on the result of that work?
And choosing accessibility over perfection, in this case a codec, shouldn't affect the ultimate score unless that codec is a very, very rare one that only a small group of people have access to. DivX is a good example to prove this because just about anyone can go to www.divx.com and download the codec.

I don't use Xvid at all, so I don't know how easy, or hard it is to get a hold of that codec.

So, in the future it'll be impossible to please Arigatomyna...