I guess Norway wasn't as socially advanced as we think...

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I guess Norway wasn't as socially advanced as we think...

Post by kthulhu » Thu Oct 02, 2003 2:06 am

<a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... _lifted</a>

Yep, not just censorship, BANNING.

From the article:
Loeland said the board "today makes a clear distinction between obvious pornography on one hand, and film with sexual or erotic elements on the other." He said the law still forbids hardcore pornography in theaters, on television or on videos or DVDs. It is also banned in print.
What was that about America being more prudish than many European countries? Oh yeah, a load of shit.

Still, good on Norway.
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Post by MistyCaldwell » Thu Oct 02, 2003 2:14 am

I don't quite understand your standpoint...


The ban has been lifted not put in place. The ban began in 1913. a different era of culture. Obviously change is not overnight and this movement to lift the ban is probably long in the making.
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Post by kthulhu » Thu Oct 02, 2003 2:18 am

90 years in the making, though?

My point is that everyone points out Europe as being a more "progressive" place, and yet this sort of thing went on for nearly a century in Norway.
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Post by MistyCaldwell » Thu Oct 02, 2003 2:25 am

Progress is progress. At least they are moving forward and lifting bans instead of enacting them.


I tend to think of humanity as a collective for the most part since the world is becoming smaller, even though pockets still retain old values, they are now being saturated with 'western' influence....whether they like it or not. Obsessions with sexuality (mostly other people's) and violence are things humans will struggle and fight over until we collectively grow up.
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Post by Toecutter » Thu Oct 02, 2003 3:27 am

I tend to think of humanity as a collective for the most part since the world is becoming smaller, even though pockets still retain old values, they are now being saturated with 'western' influence....whether they like it or not. Obsessions with sexuality (mostly other people's) and violence are things humans will struggle and fight over until we collectively grow up.
But that's just it. Mankind is a species of animals, who will still rely on their hormonal drives and instincts to survive. Our rational thought is merely a tool to allow our "irrational" urges to conquer and thrive to be fulfilled.

You also are confused about human nature. Mankind, like other animals, have many subspecies, all of which have their own genetic adaptations. These adaptations have their advantages and disadvantages. Some races traded in physical strength and endurance for intellect, and others vice versa. One thing is certain, however. All men are not created equal.

Our societies will fight for dominance, trying to outbreed the others. Deep in our guts, we all understand the rest of humanity is our enemy. The others just stand in the way, consuming our resources like parasitic worms. When there is competition, the weak are weeded out, leaving the strongest to breed, and their offspring to mutate into different variations. The strongest mutations will add to the conflict, weeding out those who were once the strongest.

By our nature, mankind will never "grow up", and learn to function in harmony. Even as individuals, we compete against our friends and neighbors for resources. Ask yourself, if the apocolypse broke out today, would you truly be willing to help others of all races, those of your own kind, or only those of your bloodlines? You'll find the answer always comes out the same.

We fight only for our genetic's survival, nothing more.

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Post by MistyCaldwell » Thu Oct 02, 2003 3:54 am

"grow up' refers to evolving and how your species has itself a paradox it can't seem to escape. As animals we exist because of our drive to procreate, dominate, survive, and generally we tend to think of our own lives first and foremost in a crisis...all dictated by our genetic heritage. Probably the main reason we have dominated the planet is not only intelligence, but our lust for violence, social interaction, and sex.

On the other hand humanity is striving to become 'civilized'. That is to shed the primitave urges and wants we have and become something more than animal. Religion is based on this a great deal...with many religions basing their most pious acts in those that reject the urge to eat, breed, and want for our own survival. Fasting, celibacy, and dedicating one's entire existence to shutting off the connections with the world to become closer to god.

What you see as a resoultion is a metaphor. That aside from subspecies being confused with breeds. We are all still the same species, and except for a small island somewhere along the equator ( I can't recall the name) we all share even a common female ancestor.

We do have breed characteristics that, like other animals, is mostly related to geography.


If humanity never evolves, we'll be animals to the end of our species and nothing more than that...worrying about sex and violence, protecting ourselves from invaders, wanting to take someone else's property or wealth...get them before they get you....in a sense we're doomed from the start because they very things that make us who we are, are destructive in many ways. If we rid ourselves of them, we may die out if we lose that strong urge to live, the urge to survive whatever the cost so that we may create more of ourselves.

On the other hand, can humanity manage to stay the way it is and not destroy it's own species?

The nuclear bombs (for protection only :roll: ) say we have grown too big for our britches.
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Post by Propyro » Thu Oct 02, 2003 6:05 am

thats odd ... and i thought Norway was the place where no one cared about sex in public ... or was that scandanavia ...or are they the same ... i can't remember ...

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Post by MCWagner » Thu Oct 02, 2003 2:37 pm

Propyro wrote:thats odd ... and i thought Norway was the place where no one cared about sex in public ... or was that scandanavia ...or are they the same ... i can't remember ...

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Uh.....Norway IS a part of Scandanavia. Like the US is part of North America.
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Post by NME » Thu Oct 02, 2003 6:23 pm

Typical American conspiracy-nut 'everyone is out to get me' bullshit.
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Post by jonmartensen » Thu Oct 02, 2003 6:29 pm

NME wrote:Typical American conspiracy-nut 'everyone is out to get me' bullshit.
Put down the gun and pick up the book.
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And confusion makes...my head hurt O.o
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