Evolution, yes or no?

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:18 pm

jonmartensen wrote:That's just natural selection. They are still the same finches, with only minor topical differences (and as I said, natural selection is hardly disputable). The finches already exhibited these traits that they now posses, to one degree or another, before reproducing through several iterations weeding out the undesirable traits. Natural selection breeds out undesirable traits, but does it create new traits that did not exist before? Natural selection hinges on the desirable traits already being shared within a population before it can do its work. And can one really just scale up an idea that is appropiate under one set of conditions to a larger generalization?

How does one jump from single celled, to multi celled? How is the leap made from chemosynthesis to photosynthesis? There are large gaps to be bridged that can not be simply explained through the extension of natural selection over a longer period of time.

This was in reply to ssjvegita0609's post. :/

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:27 pm

jonmartensen wrote:Natural selection breeds out undesirable traits, but does it create new traits that did not exist before?

it doesn't, that's cuased by mutatuions.

[/quote]How does one jump from single celled, to multi celled?[/quote]

there is no jump. the process takes near a billion years.

How is the leap made from chemosynthesis to photosynthesis?

again, there is no leap.

There are large gaps to be bridged that can not be simply explained through the extension of natural selection over a longer period of time.

there is no large gap. you're looking at it as if things should change in seconds. it took 4 billion years to get to us. can you imagine even how long it is to live a century?

El Banana · Post by **El Banana** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:29 pm

But there's still some strange stuff...

Like, for example, the evolution of echolocation.
For this mechanism, you need specialized ears, specialized brains, and a specialyzed voicebox. All of these evolving simultaneously is a bit.... strange.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:34 pm

Otohiko wrote:
paizuri wrote:
Otohiko wrote:I dunno. Ask dwchang.
Is dwchang God?
1) Ask InSaNe KeYbLaDeR

2) Probably

Didn't read the whole thread, but WTF?

When did Otohiko make odd posts about me? I thought it was only someone-someone.

And no, I'm not God.

Satomi - By the very nature of God, I'd imagine we're not supposed to understand something like that. Isn't he/she supposed to be eternal and thus not created and was always there?

fyrtenheimer · Post by **fyrtenheimer** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:34 pm

Tab. wrote:
paizuri wrote: So you're saying the big-mouthed people are going to rule the
world?
:O

Wider.

madmag9999 · Post by **madmag9999** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:35 pm

sorry i dont have time to read all the long posts but i have an intresting dabate topic:
what came first the chicken or the egg. this can also be aplied to the univers and god if u think about it so if u want u can think about it

Lyrs · Post by **Lyrs** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:39 pm

El Banana wrote:Like, for example, the evolution of echolocation.
For this mechanism, you need specialized ears, specialized brains, and a specialyzed voicebox. All of these evolving simultaneously is a bit.... strange.

they don't. read up on a term called pre-adaption.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:40 pm

dwchang wrote:
Otohiko wrote:
paizuri wrote:
Otohiko wrote:I dunno. Ask dwchang.
Is dwchang God?
1) Ask InSaNe KeYbLaDeR

2) Probably
Didn't read the whole thread, but WTF?

When did Otohiko make odd posts about me? I thought it was only someone-someone.

And no, I'm not God.

Satomi - By the very nature of God, I'd imagine we're not supposed to understand something like that. Isn't he/she supposed to be eternal and thus not created and was always there?

Sorry there D-Dubya... (ack! I said it again)

It was a... pun/failed attempt at killing another thread with irrelevant blabber

***

Yep, I failed.

***

I still want the thread to die though.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:42 pm

Otohiko wrote:
dwchang wrote:
Otohiko wrote:
paizuri wrote:
Otohiko wrote:I dunno. Ask dwchang.
Is dwchang God?
1) Ask InSaNe KeYbLaDeR

2) Probably
Didn't read the whole thread, but WTF?

When did Otohiko make odd posts about me? I thought it was only someone-someone.

And no, I'm not God.

Satomi - By the very nature of God, I'd imagine we're not supposed to understand something like that. Isn't he/she supposed to be eternal and thus not created and was always there?
Sorry there D-Dubya... (ack! I said it again)

It was a... pun/failed attempt at killing another thread with irrelevant blabber

***

Yep, I failed.

***

I still want the thread to die though.

Wait a minute, you just used the "D" word.

/me stabs

DIE!!!! and you to Hsien!!!

KhayotiK · Post by **KhayotiK** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:51 pm

What about you people's views on Carbon dating? Spontaneous creation? The workings of mutations? Explain with evidence, no "this is impossible because God did it" or "your god sucks, it's all impossible and scientists know all" If I see any of this, I'll boycott this thread.

Fear me.