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Post by ANTDrakko » Fri Sep 19, 2003 12:01 pm

::rubs eyes:: Oy, I just woke up and a whole other page of replies. Hmm, well I don't really have much to say, but about that Animeniacs.com thing.

Heres how to legality goes. I pay them, they pay the company that makes the HK version, which in turn pays the company who owns the licence, making one big happy family. HK rips are fine and dandy, not to mention all pass the US. Customs inspection, only reason they are cheaper are because ether the subtitles are wrong or not 100% quality footage, if they were "bootlegged", they wouldn't be able to sell online for too long without any legal action being taken against them.

::yawn:: Hopefully anything said up there makes sense, I'm sure not awake enough to understand. :shock: Oh well, adios, Ja matta, and good bye.

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Post by Lyrs » Fri Sep 19, 2003 12:04 pm

Wow, you just woke up? it's Noon here. What time zone?

neway, how do you know that the products actually passed through customs?
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Post by dokool » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:43 pm

ANTDrakko wrote: Heres how to legality goes. I pay them, they pay the company that makes the HK version, which in turn pays the company who owns the licence, making one big happy family. HK rips are fine and dandy, not to mention all pass the US. Customs inspection, only reason they are cheaper are because ether the subtitles are wrong or not 100% quality footage, if they were "bootlegged", they wouldn't be able to sell online for too long without any legal action being taken against them.
Here's the thing, though. The companies that make the HK version don't pay the company that owns the licence. There's actually a reason that HK dvds aren't allowed to be sold at conventions, because they're bootlegs.

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Post by Zarxrax » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:49 pm

Good lord, leave the poor boy alone. 3 pages of posts condemning someone for downloading something is more annoying than someone saying he downloaded something to begin with :\

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Post by ANTDrakko » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:55 pm

Lyrs, I'm in Eastern Time zone, but I don't have any classes today for college, so I'm lazy and get up late. I know those HK DVDs pass through customs because Animeniacs are a very trustworthy company and like I mentioned before, they have been in business long enough as to if they WERE doing illegal activities, they would have been repremanded a long time ago. If you want a more detailed explaination of HK DVDs and videos, goto their site, or if you feel so sure of your own opinion, feel free to e-mail the people at Animeniacs.com. As to why they don't sell HK DVDs at conventions, my guess is that the company that owns the licence recieves more money for their versions then they do for their counterparts. Seriously, many companies do it, just look at AccessMicro.com . They are a division of Northgate, but sell their products cheaper. Like I said, any things you aren't sure of, ask the people at Animeniacs.com . Thanks.


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Post by SarahtheBoring » Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:12 pm

Wow, you can rationalize like lightning. How about, "I don't care, I'm going to use what I want and that's that"?

'Cause in my book your whole "I wanna make videos but I don't have the money so I'm forced to buy bootlegs" bit is enough to make you an idiot to begin with. (I want a million dollars, but I'm not getting it. Aren't we spoiled, assuming we have the right to do whatever we want just because we want to. Feh.)

Anyway, see sig. If you're going to use pirated crap, just own up to it and be quiet.

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Post by SarahtheBoring » Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:13 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: Rather, it would make sense if I hadn't changed my sig. Never mind that part. Heheh.

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Post by kthulhu » Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:26 pm

ANTDrakko wrote:I know those HK DVDs pass through customs because Animeniacs are a very trustworthy company and like I mentioned before, they have been in business long enough as to if they WERE doing illegal activities, they would have been repremanded a long time ago.
And customs knows the difference between genuine and bootleg DVDs...how? So long as it isn't drugs or weapons or things on their "check for" list, they don't really care what goes through.

This still doesn't change the fact that Animeniacs.com is selling bootleg DVDs, though. While HK bootlegs don't exactly affect the North American anime market that much (especially if they're series that haven't been licensed over here), they do hurt the Asian one badly - and in doing so, they hurt the legitimate anime distributors and producers over there.

So, Animeniacs.com may be trustowrthy - but how trustworthy can they be if they're selling illegitimate products?
ANTDrakko wrote:If you want a more detailed explaination of HK DVDs and videos, goto their site, or if you feel so sure of your own opinion, feel free to e-mail the people at Animeniacs.com.
Ummm....all of those logos by the "Region 0" (read: no region, which is not common outside of the bootleg market) listings are of known bootleggers. My brother has a few DVDS with those logos. The video quality is "meh" and the subtitles are atrocious. And they're not officially licensed versions - just illegal copies.

Compare:
<a href="http://animeniacs.com/index.php?action= ... 2">Bootleg Trigun</a>, all 26 episodes, 3 discs, region 0, "low" price - all common HK bootleg features. All it's missing is the Chinese subs.
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... lance">The official box set</a>. All 26 episodes, 8 discs, region 1, hella expensive.


ANTDrakko wrote:As to why they don't sell HK DVDs at conventions, my guess is that the company that owns the licence recieves more money for their versions then they do for their counterparts. Seriously, many companies do it, just look at AccessMicro.com . They are a division of Northgate, but sell their products cheaper. Like I said, any things you aren't sure of, ask the people at Animeniacs.com . Thanks.


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With all due respect, please pay attention. They don't allow HK DVDs to be sold at cons, because they're not official releases. They're illegal copies (meaning, not licensed, and hence lacking permission to be copied and distributed through official, legitimate means). It's a legal issue (the con doesn't want to be seen as a bazaar for pirated goods), it's a service issue (the con would rather not have to deal with a quarrel between a seller and a buyer), and it's a moral/philosophical issue (the con, and many anime fans, would rather support the legitimate companies, instead of stealing revenue from them by purchasing bootlegs).

You can use your pirated DVDs, but please don't try to justify it.
I'm out...

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Post by ANTDrakko » Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:31 pm

"I wanna make videos but I don't have the money so I'm forced to buy bootlegs" . Where the heck did that come from? I said I didn't have enough money to buy a DVD rom, jeez. And like I said, we could go on and on about HK DVDs, but thats a completley different subject. The fact is, nobody, or at least enough people for anyone to notice, is ever arrested or fined or whatever for selling or owning HK DVDs, its more of a "Who wants to support the licenced company the most" debate, fully opinion.

Its funny how quickly someone is to reply to a subject without fully reading or understanding each point. ::shrug:: oh well.

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Post by Nappy » Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:35 pm

SarahtheBoring wrote:Wow, you can rationalize like lightning. How about, "I don't care, I'm going to use what I want and that's that"?

Anyway, see sig. If you're going to use pirated crap, just own up to it and
be quiet.
Those are my thoughts while reading all this >_>

And you really think HK's are legal cuz someone selling them says so o_O Ya I'm sure those HK's that either used dvd rips, or Tv scans (which is what the .hack hks look like btw) in Hong Kong send money to the anime companies back in Japan... You really think they would need to use TV scans, if they were paying the company? Ya I'm sure they love selling entire series for less than what they charge for 1 or 2 episodes back in Japan. :roll: And you think US customs is gonna stop about stuff made in china, stolen from Japan and brought to the US. Like they'd know or care :l That guy at the flea market selling mod chips says he sents money to sony, IT MUST BE TRUE!!

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