How to fix our political, economic and education system

Lone Wolf · Post by **Lone Wolf** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 7:51 pm

I really do think that the youth in society need a better education. Also, our society must stop being greedy and work towards the improvement of society, a 'group benefit' or whatever the devil you want to call it. Just my views...

klinky · Post by **klinky** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 8:15 pm

Mroni wrote:Lets keep the one we got. Changing it is too complicated,Boring and the only thing I support is the goverment lowering taxes.

Mr Oni

Aren't you whacking Lum while on the governement payrolls Mr. Oni :}?

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 9:04 pm

klinky wrote:
Mroni wrote:Lets keep the one we got. Changing it is too complicated,Boring and the only thing I support is the goverment lowering taxes.

Mr Oni

Aren't you whacking Lum while on the governement payrolls Mr. Oni :}?

And they still fuck me but that's life. I think the real problem this country faces is too many damn foreighners coming in here and not even bothering to learn english.

Mr Oni

Toecutter · Post by **Toecutter** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 9:26 pm

I have to agree on Step 1. Putting private organizations in competition with each other for goods and services is the way to go. Capitalism works best in a free market economy.

However, I can't agree with switching political systems, or adopting the Japanese schooling system. What we really need to do, is start all over again in America, with the Libertarians in charge. The whole concept of America is exactly what danielwang stated in Step 1 of his plan. All the laws which turned into major limitations on our rights (gun laws, affirmative action, zero-tolerance, etc) were all made to try and limit the success of the rich, in order to make the poor feel better.

Competition without rules is exactly what natural selection is about. When we try to give handicap points to those who cannot survive on their own (drug perscriptions, welfare, affirmative action, and racially-oriented scholarships), we turn a pure test of skill into a test of our corrupted politics, and those who do nothing but consume the fruits of man's labor, without expanding on our greatness, are left to rule the world.

So, unless you'd like to see a world run by those who refuse to take responsibility for their actions (Detriot, South Central L.A., Beijing, etc), we must re-establish unrestricted competition.

danielwang · Post by **danielwang** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:37 pm

Toecutter wrote:I have to agree on Step 1. Putting private organizations in competition with each other for goods and services is the way to go. Capitalism works best in a free market economy.

However, I can't agree with switching political systems, or adopting the Japanese schooling system. What we really need to do, is start all over again in America, with the Libertarians in charge. The whole concept of America is exactly what danielwang stated in Step 1 of his plan. All the laws which turned into major limitations on our rights (gun laws, affirmative action, zero-tolerance, etc) were all made to try and limit the success of the rich, in order to make the poor feel better.

Competition without rules is exactly what natural selection is about. When we try to give handicap points to those who cannot survive on their own (drug perscriptions, welfare, affirmative action, and racially-oriented scholarships), we turn a pure test of skill into a test of our corrupted politics, and those who do nothing but consume the fruits of man's labor, without expanding on our greatness, are left to rule the world.

So, unless you'd like to see a world run by those who refuse to take responsibility for their actions (Detriot, South Central L.A., Beijing, etc), we must re-establish unrestricted competition.

Exactly my thoughts.
( I was simply too sleepy to bother to write my makeshift "article" with proper grammar. )

*English department throws dictionaries at Wang*

However, to begin this process, it would be necessary to enable the change by removing the propogating factor: the corrupt rulers. It isn't exactly feasibe to start America over, but it is possible to change a few people around.

I humbly retract the idea of switching the ENTIRE government. BUT, I don't really think Bush should be in charge

Evil Urchin · Post by **Evil Urchin** » Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:56 pm

You want to put the Libertarians in charge? Hell, we'd be better off with anarchy. As for me, I happen to think that governments are evil and corrupt, etc. etc., but for now any "solution" you fellows can come up with will just lead to the same old corruption, especially this whole thing about unrestricted competition. Laissez Fair (yes, I know I spelled that wrong) didn't work then, and it won't work now. Ever hear of history repeating itself? Anyway, until the glorious revolution takes place, I shall continue sitting in the shadows plotting the best way to subvert the world's governments in such a way that won't lead to warlords, city states, and the like. Needless to say, this is gonna take a while, unless I or someone else finds some sort of way to annihilate the concept of "the masses". The way I see it, one must restablish our world views on the individual level, and draw our focus away from that destructive concept, since people are generally at their worse when in a mob mentality. I worded that horribly, but hey, its a pipe dream, so who cares?

alternatefutures · Post by **alternatefutures** » Tue Sep 02, 2003 12:04 am

What you need to do is first have a system that follows the Constitution, none of this crap where the courts simply reword or ignore the parts they don't like all that much. The specifics of the 4th amendment became the general "Right to Privacy," the establishment clause in the First Amendment became the general "Seperation of Church and State", and then these summarys became the law, replacing the documents they were loosely based on. Go back to basics, stop treating court opinions as law, start impeaching judges who try to amend the law. You would be amazed at all the crap that would clear out of the system. Congress needs to delegate its authority to third party agencies? Great, let's get 3/4s of the States to agree to it and craft the Amendment, then we can get to creating organizations like the EPA and the INS. As it is now, these organizations are unconstitutional as they craft law autonomously of the Congress.

Then you have corruption of representitives to deal with, which, on the local level, comes from pork barrel spending. Allow citizens to sue any State to force it to pick up the entire tab for the pet projects. Robert Byrd a one billion dollar industry? Try one billion dollar liability.

Treat representitives as employees. All work related communications not related to National Security become available in real time. Phone calls, e-mails, everything electronic.

Finally, any person who is a member of a political party cannot run for or hold office. All funds for elections come from a general fund evenly distributed to the candidates. No specific contributions allowed. Just get the signatures and you too could be the next President of the United States (assuming you're over 40 and are not an immigrant). This gets over my problem of having my union consistantly take my money and give it to someone who is the last person I want in office. The union can give to the general fund if they want or run specific issue based commercials without mention of any particular candidate. Now, national level corruption takes a big blow.

The first paragraph is a necessity, the rest I just think are good ideas.

Cardinal.jpg · Post by **Cardinal.jpg** » Tue Sep 02, 2003 2:28 am

Does anyone here have a political science degree? Or have any experience in the area? I´d be interested to know because if there are so many fantastic, surefire, foolproof ways to make this world a paradise then why isn´t it? Surely you wouldn´t have been the first people to come up with them. Maybe because they won´t work.

Toecutter · Post by **Toecutter** » Tue Sep 02, 2003 2:32 am

They don't work, because not all men are created equal. There are those who are superior, and those who are inferior. The inferior eventually penetrate the superior's lagging defenses (because the superior get too comfortable), destroy what's left of their culture, yet leave no legacy behind. The inferior merely consume, and refuse to replace what they've destroyed with anything better.

TheRealNeoHentaiMaster · Post by **TheRealNeoHentaiMaster** » Tue Sep 02, 2003 6:37 am

haha...kids make me laugh...