We invaded Iraq....

[Toecutter]

Kthulu, for once I have to agree with you. The Kurds have been fighting a war of resistance for decades against Saddam, and the Ba'ath Party. They did it by getting their hands on guns, organizing, and holding their territory in a protracted war.

American soldiers have no right to take the weapons away from the population. I bet ten bucks those striking our troops in guerrilla warfare are fighting back to free Iraq from a "homeland security" style of puppet government. Ever notice how the new Iraqi police department is being organized, and even dressing, like the Nazi brownshirts? I thought our dumbass politicians would've figured out by now the only way to stop terrorism, is to allow the citizens to defend themselves.

I have a strong moral belief in the concept of "innocent until proven guilty". Our "homeland security" organization is a horrible system, designed to take away the rights of those who have not yet committed crimes. I say let the raghead bastards make the first move, and then wipe them out. No one will fuck with us, if they know we're more than willing to launch a nuclear strike against them without mercy. Naturally, however, we're letting the U.N. slowly disarm American citizens. Kofi Annan is actually taking MP-5's away from law-abiding gun owners in New York, and arming his security guards with them, because he "doesn't feel safe" in New York.

To think, some third-world criminal is telling us what to do, and the EU is too busy pussyfooting around these uncivilized bastards to stand up for their rights. That's the problem with our post-Vietnam military actions. We're too concerned what these fascist regimes would think about "human rights issues", which they get away with thanks to ass-backwards U.N. treaties.

[LightningCountX]

And we didn't bring enough rifles for <a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... veryone</a>. What sucks, too, is that we're using rifles confiscated from Iraqi citizens, all in the name of "ousting Saddam Hussein". Fuck that. The Iraqi populace, if they were sick of Saddam, could've stockpiled food, water, gas, and their SKS and AK-47 rifles, AND OUSTED SADDAM THEMSELVES. It's partly why we in the US have the Second Amendment, for God's sake.

Now look - we've strained relations with the rest of the world, we're spreading our military thin, we're spreading our ECONOMY (the very backbone of the military) thin, we've destabilized the country and now we have to deal with various rebels and troublemakers who've looted Saddam's arsenal, AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH (shitty, I might add) M-16 RIFLES FOR ALL OF OUR BOYS OVER THERE! Plus, our leadership had the gall to even contemplate a pay cut for the military!

Vote for anyone, ANYONE, besides Bush in 2004. Vote for the most open fascist, if you want. At least they're being honest.

I wouldn't even vote for him anyways, ever since he was put into office, this country has collapsed, and alot of bad shit happens...I can't wait till next election...

[madmallard]

Clark Howard doesn't think so.

And we're not confiscating the populace's weapons, we're using what we've captured. The Military is very open that the citizens can keep anything up to an ak-47.

and, like the origami boulder guy says. . .

...but everyone know person in Canada never actually finish anything except long winded complain editorials about USA.

Create web site actually involve work, unlike sending complain email.

Maybe ask government to build site for you since Canada person always think government and high taxes so great.

I'll take an arguement with Kthulu who tries to conduct his views with facts and a thought out opinion over any other country's hypocritcal diatribe.

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[GoldenGundam]

And we didn't bring enough rifles for <a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... veryone</a>. What sucks, too, is that we're using rifles confiscated from Iraqi citizens, all in the name of "ousting Saddam Hussein". Fuck that. The Iraqi populace, if they were sick of Saddam, could've stockpiled food, water, gas, and their SKS and AK-47 rifles, AND OUSTED SADDAM THEMSELVES. It's partly why we in the US have the Second Amendment, for God's sake.

Now look - we've strained relations with the rest of the world, we're spreading our military thin, we're spreading our ECONOMY (the very backbone of the military) thin, we've destabilized the country and now we have to deal with various rebels and troublemakers who've looted Saddam's arsenal, AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH (shitty, I might add) M-16 RIFLES FOR ALL OF OUR BOYS OVER THERE! Plus, our leadership had the gall to even contemplate a pay cut for the military!

Vote for anyone, ANYONE, besides Bush in 2004. Vote for the most open fascist, if you want. At least they're being honest.

From what I understand, the Iraqis did try to overthrough Saddam (not a very good attempt) after Bush Sr. urged them to after the first Gulf War. Then when they failed, they got their butts screwed over. And I do agree that our forces are spread way too thin across the world. We should recall like a whole bunch of them and put them in the National Guard. Then, we would have a pretty nice defence force against the supposed terrorists that run their planes into buildings and the such.

Oh, and no I wont vote for Bush next year if there is any one better than him, and that seems very likely.

[kthulhu]

And we're not confiscating the populace's weapons, we're using what we've captured. The Military is very open that the citizens can keep anything up to an ak-47.

We have sponsored gun amnesties over there, though (not very successfully - and I can't say I blame the Iraqi people), to get weapons we define as dangerous to our occupation.

The big problem is not the arms owned by the civilian populace - it's the ones who looted the armories that are causing trouble, and are also the ones to be feared. I'm pretty sure the citizens don't own RPK/RPD machine guns or RPG-7 grenade launchers.

We really should've sponsored the uprising during the first Gulf War. We had enough allied military support, we had civilian support, and we had a nice amount of international support (or acceptance, at least).

[jonmartensen]

We really should've sponsored the uprising during the first Gulf War. We had enough allied military support, we had civilian support, and we had a nice amount of international support (or acceptance, at least).

Or apathy. But now it's trendy to hate on the US (much as it is trendy to make fun of those nutty Italians)

[ithaqua]

It was trendy for years now. You just didn't notice before.

It's hatred for the British that's a fairly new trend. Everyone used to just ignore them.

[jonmartensen]

It was trendy for years now. You just didn't notice before.

It's hatred for the British that's a fairly new trend. Everyone used to just ignore them.

Quite true. Though I did notice.

[Simpi]

The big problem is not the arms owned by the civilian populace - it's the ones who looted the armories that are causing trouble, and are also the ones to be feared. I'm pretty sure the citizens don't own RPK/RPD machine guns or RPG-7 grenade launchers.

Actually they do, though much of it is from Iraq-Iran war. Saddam also tried some sort of gun amnesty (or was it some kind of registration) once to collect some weapons away, which was not very succesfull. One family actually brought their stuff in with a looted Iranian tank so who knows what they have....

[Cain T. Longshot]

*Hands my old rifle to kthulhu* Here, you can have it, i'm done fighting over there for the US. What a waste of time i say... :-/