Eva...*Twitch*

[Savia]

thats not what atomic ws saying ... by making shinji brittish he'd have benemuch mroe willing to fight and fuck his mother's clone ... or at least thats what i gathered from Atomic ...

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Yes, the British are adamant about making sure their family trees stay as straight and non-divergent as possible.

"The sun never sets" and all that.

But intermarriage of the royal line allows us to have laughably unintelligent, unexciting and generally unimportant royal family members to laugh at and ridicule!

For reference, see pretty much anything Prince Philip has ever said.

[Tab.]

Eva is steeped in Kabalistic concept and psychological shit. Stupid people probably won't get anything but the eye candy. Which itself isn't bad.

[yuppa]

hmmmmm. if shinji ikari was british.................

Gendo- shinji, this is an evangelion, you will ride it and.................Dr Ritsuko, where is shinji???

Ritsuko-Oh, well, when you were making your speach, he boarded the eva, killed the angel, and is currently getting it on with Rei..........

Gendo- o!

Actually, I found a GREAT fanfic, where Shinji and Rei actually DO get into some foreplay, and of course, Asuka is jealous because she can't get any! It's damn funny, but it also mirrors the styling of the series, and the character's behaviors perfectly. Here's the url if anyone's interested:

http://members.tripod.com/~Mien_Diem/SSP/Varia001.htm •This is part one


http://members.tripod.com/~Mien_Diem/SSP/Varia002.htm •Obviously, this is part two.

Unfortunately, the story is left at a cliffhanger, and there aren't any links to the individual parts, so you have to manually guess. I stumbled on it searching Google for specs on the Eva and Magi, which for some bizarre reason led me there. However, it was worth the read, except for all the detailed, perverted foreplay (okay, now I've done it, and gotten all the horny fanboys headed over there).

On the subject of "Do I like Eva", I find it a really good anime. However, it reminds me too much of "Sailor Moon" at points. I caught a few episodes of Sailor Moon R and S, and I just thought 'Okay, if I were in there shoes, I'd kick that second-in-command's ass, put a tracer on them, making them lead me to their boss, and waste all the fuckers with a LAWS missle launcher, or a Barrett M82A1'.

Same thing with Eva. All Shinji would've had to do in Episode 19 is self-destruct Unit-01, remembering of course to jettison the entry plug just before it blew (Rei couldn't do it in Episode 23 due to the 16th Angel's interference in the entry-plug circuits). Then, get Misato to help him capture Gendo (that nerdy bastard couldn't put up that good of a fight), and drag his ass over to Unit-00, firing it up, forcing him to sych 400% with Ritsuko's mother's soul. If you think about it, that would be the ultimate torture, because he'd be stuck being mentally assaulted by Dr. Akagi's wrath for the rest of eternity (until Instrumentality occurred).

Of course, the whole Instrumentality thing wouldn't have to go down anyway, because Second Impact occurred. Once the Angels were all destroyed (except for the 18th Angel, of course), all the "stuff" (LCL, souls, and whatever makes up Angels) would be redistributed into mankind, allowing them to continue for another few million years. Remember, the Children aren't being born so easily, because the souls and other "stuff" that made up half of the world's population were re-routed back to the more specialized, primitive forms, known as Angels 3-17.

Once they're dead, mankind has all the "stuff" (due to conservation of matter and energy) to thrive again. On the same subject, since the Children are the only ones capable of synchronizing with Eva, which is made from Adam's DNA (which was clearly affected by Second Impact), the Children are really a new sub-species, or a different form (we'll call them the 19th Angel, because there's just enough of a genetic difference with the Children from those born prior to Second Impact).

Therefore, NERV could clearly argue with Seele, point out Second Impact did the trick, get the JSSDF to help kick some ass, and dissolve Project E. Screw the U.N.!

To think, this could all have been done if Misato wasn't such a dumbass and spared Kaji's life, Rei reached an understanding of her emotions, desire to be with Shinji, and desire for self-preservation before the 16th Angel, Asuka was properly disciplined by Misato, and Shinji had a pair. Hell, I bet with the ability for Evas to regenerate limbs based on existing tissue (due to their power supply and Adam's DNA), they could easily have stuck Touji in an entry plug, pushed him to a 400% synch ratio with one of the other Evas, and made him bring back his ego barrier while in the entry-plug to regenerate his limbs!

God damnnit! I should've really written this crap!

HELL FUCKING YEAH!! LEts get together and bribe gainax to redo it again from ep i sode 19. THat would rockand make sense at the same time. I hope that they at least think that they could have done it like that. I HATE THE DEATH OF ALLL THE CHARACTERS, YOU BASTARDS...YOU BLEW IT UP!! DAMN YOU U.N> DAMN YOU ALL YO HElllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[Toecutter]

HELL FUCKING YEAH!! LEts get together and bribe gainax to redo it again from ep i sode 19. THat would rockand make sense at the same time. I hope that they at least think that they could have done it like that. I HATE THE DEATH OF ALLL THE CHARACTERS, YOU BASTARDS...YOU BLEW IT UP!! DAMN YOU U.N> DAMN YOU ALL YO HElllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Right on! The thing that always pissed me off, but is fixed in the previously mentioned fanfic, is the fact Shinji, Asuka, and Rei could easily overcome their personal issues if they just learned to socialize and work together. They're all in the same boat, and have exactly the same problem, but they just express it differently.

As for all the metaphysical crap, I don't get half of the imagery in EoE, but I get the basic concept, and can deduce other crap from that. I have a unique view of Eva, though, because while I research other fan sites to understand the religious contexts, I see it in the eye of a scientist. Everything I have mentioned above about the Angels, I see in an evolutionary light, and not involving God (mostly, because I'm atheist, and I really hate frosted flakes, which is my own slur for white Christians).

What Gainax really should've done, had Anno had a pair, and overome his depressive bout, would ditch the whole "everything's destined to screw us over, so let's all wail in self pity" bullshit, and done a more appropriate "Terminator" style, in which (to quote the film) "The future's not set; there's no fate but what we make of ourselves!".

Seele obviously got quite a few of the translations wrong with the Dead Sea Scrolls (everyone except Gendo and Fuyutsuki thought Lillith was Adam, the Angels are constantly arriving not according to the schedule of the Human Instrumentality Project, and Gendo's pulling all kinds of shit behind their backs, which would obviously be referred to in the Dead Sea Scrolls).

It is more than possible, with Seele's horrible translation and constant revisions to the Instrumentality schedule, that the Children could easily take control of their own lives, rebel against NERV, and use the Evas as they see fit. With Unit-01 devouring the S2 engine, Rei's in-depth knowledge of Terminal Dogma, Kaji's research, and Misato's gung-ho attitude (when she's sober), they could easily overthrow the whole U.N./Seele alliance, and do whatever they wanted with their lives.

I have to agree, I hate all the characters dying. Granted, I'd expect those cutthroat japs in the JSSDF to slaughter everyone in their path (just look at the Phillippines and Guadalcanal from WWII), but NERV has to have MP-5N's/MP-5SD3's, M-16A2 rifles, Beretta 92-FS 9x19mm pistols, or at least some FN-FAL assault rifles. Also, why in the hell did they make it so easy for NERV to be penetrated by humans, yet shield it enough for Angels to have a hard time getting through? How easy could it have been to install knock-out gas and flash-bang grenade launchers in the access tubes, elevators, etc?

Basically, Anno was pissed because a bunch of Eva fans didn't get episode 25/26 (I can't speak, because I saw EoE before I got to episode 23, and I still haven't watched 24-26 yet). So, because he's so much like Shinji, he just spit in everyone's faces, and screwed over everybody! However, I do wish Second Impact was done like EoE, minus all the metaphysical flashbacks and live-action crap. Just show me what happens according to the rest of us, and leave Shinji's "right of passage" in Episode 25/26.

Anyway, Yuppa, if you're interested, we could co-author some kind of fanfiction to show those bastards at Gainax what it means to be an American (with the whole gung-ho, devil-dog attitude), rather than what it's like to be Anno (with the whole everyone hates me, so I'll just curl up and die crap).

[Otohiko]

I like the original ending, but that's to say it's definitely not a true 'ending'. I like it as an artwork. Perhaps the ending for the story itself could be more cohenrent, but as far as me and my tastes - no way to end it better for me.

Also, I recently suggested to a confused friend to consider ep.24 the ending if he didn't want to go into the psychological and philosophical stuff that comes after. Of course, that's the good stuff for me....

[MrScribble]

I hated the original ending not because of the story, but because they went over their budget and used recycled/stills material for 80% of the episodes. It was like the whole goddamn lift scene over and over again.

It was a visual anticlimax.

[Otohiko]

I consider it a great work of erm... limited animation.

Honor sufficiency. It's good when you can do something good with a lot of animation, better when you can do something good (IMO) with minimal animation.

Again, that's just my POV.

[dwchang]

I hated the original ending not because of the story, but because they went over their budget and used recycled/stills material for 80% of the episodes. It was like the whole goddamn lift scene over and over again.

It was a visual anticlimax.

Although I agree on the visual part, you can't deny that the meaning is there. It's been rumored that this *is* Anno's true vision. Well...to a degree. I'm sure he'd *try* and incorporate more than just fan-art and stills, but at the same time the meaning is there and he has said that Eva is not about the story and the characters and thus the reason the last two episodes have nothing in the way of story and are just a study of the characters.

In all honesty, it doesn't really matter how we got to Instrumentality since Instrumentality and that "soul-searching" is all that matters.

So in conclusion, although there might not be that much animation, the meaning is there and that was the point of the entire show. No complaints here.

I'd talk more about this, but I'm really tired lately and don't feel like writing much (hence my inactivity in the boards). Sorry. Then again it might be nice not to read my long posts .

[yuppa]

HELL FUCKING YEAH!! LEts get together and bribe gainax to redo it again from ep i sode 19. THat would rockand make sense at the same time. I hope that they at least think that they could have done it like that. I HATE THE DEATH OF ALLL THE CHARACTERS, YOU BASTARDS...YOU BLEW IT UP!! DAMN YOU U.N> DAMN YOU ALL YO HElllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Right on! The thing that always pissed me off, but is fixed in the previously mentioned fanfic, is the fact Shinji, Asuka, and Rei could easily overcome their personal issues if they just learned to socialize and work together. They're all in the same boat, and have exactly the same problem, but they just express it differently.

As for all the metaphysical crap, I don't get half of the imagery in EoE, but I get the basic concept, and can deduce other crap from that. I have a unique view of Eva, though, because while I research other fan sites to understand the religious contexts, I see it in the eye of a scientist. Everything I have mentioned above about the Angels, I see in an evolutionary light, and not involving God (mostly, because I'm atheist, and I really hate frosted flakes, which is my own slur for white Christians).

What Gainax really should've done, had Anno had a pair, and overome his depressive bout, would ditch the whole "everything's destined to screw us over, so let's all wail in self pity" bullshit, and done a more appropriate "Terminator" style, in which (to quote the film) "The future's not set; there's no fate but what we make of ourselves!".

Seele obviously got quite a few of the translations wrong with the Dead Sea Scrolls (everyone except Gendo and Fuyutsuki thought Lillith was Adam, the Angels are constantly arriving not according to the schedule of the Human Instrumentality Project, and Gendo's pulling all kinds of shit behind their backs, which would obviously be referred to in the Dead Sea Scrolls).

It is more than possible, with Seele's horrible translation and constant revisions to the Instrumentality schedule, that the Children could easily take control of their own lives, rebel against NERV, and use the Evas as they see fit. With Unit-01 devouring the S2 engine, Rei's in-depth knowledge of Terminal Dogma, Kaji's research, and Misato's gung-ho attitude (when she's sober), they could easily overthrow the whole U.N./Seele alliance, and do whatever they wanted with their lives.

I have to agree, I hate all the characters dying. Granted, I'd expect those cutthroat japs in the JSSDF to slaughter everyone in their path (just look at the Phillippines and Guadalcanal from WWII), but NERV has to have MP-5N's/MP-5SD3's, M-16A2 rifles, Beretta 92-FS 9x19mm pistols, or at least some FN-FAL assault rifles. Also, why in the hell did they make it so easy for NERV to be penetrated by humans, yet shield it enough for Angels to have a hard time getting through? How easy could it have been to install knock-out gas and flash-bang grenade launchers in the access tubes, elevators, etc?

Basically, Anno was pissed because a bunch of Eva fans didn't get episode 25/26 (I can't speak, because I saw EoE before I got to episode 23, and I still haven't watched 24-26 yet). So, because he's so much like Shinji, he just spit in everyone's faces, and screwed over everybody! However, I do wish Second Impact was done like EoE, minus all the metaphysical flashbacks and live-action crap. Just show me what happens according to the rest of us, and leave Shinji's "right of passage" in Episode 25/26.

Anyway, Yuppa, if you're interested, we could co-author some kind of fanfiction to show those bastards at Gainax what it means to be an American (with the whole gung-ho, devil-dog attitude), rather than what it's like to be Anno (with the whole everyone hates me, so I'll just curl up and die crap).

Hell yeah man. id like to do that sometime. I hated the dorector for that ending. He should have his em field nulled and left to die a slow and painfull death. but id love to co author a fan fic and shove it in Gainax's face. when and where is all i gotta say.

[Milk-Toast!]

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