Who else is sick of NEW ROCK?

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:44 am

RamonesFan2020204 wrote:It IS sad however that you think that FREAK Manson is a great lyricist. He's an evil person, ask my mom, she hates him too. My mom thinks I have good musical taste, because I like alot of different music, and I know what's good, and I stay away from that crap like Manson, Tool, Slipknot, etc.

Sir - uncool. VERY uncool. You do not EVER bring your mom's opinion into a discussion. I'm sure she's a lovely woman and all, but her opinion means jack squat. Why? Because, if she's a good mother, she's biased in your favor - valuable to you, certainly, but worthless otherwise.

And I'd exclude Tool from that list. They're not my cup of tea, but I can recognize artistry over gimmickry.

RamonesFan2020204 wrote:My mom said there was an interview with Paul McCartney once where he was asked WHAT KIND of music he liked, and he said "Good music", and I like "Good music" too.

But what Sir Paul likes isn't necessarily what YOU like. What you like isn't necessarily what I like. What I like isn't necessarily what Jace likes. It's subjective. We all like good music - because good music is good in our heads.

RamonesFan2020204 wrote:Manson, Fear Factory, Tool, NIN, and Slipknot and all the other bands like that aren't "Good music", they're "Bad music".

Define "bad music". Then explain why it's bad music. Use convincing logic, arguments, and evidence to support this position.

Fear Factory was good hard rock. Better than most bands nowadays. Listen to "Resurrection". Starts out slow and moody, then turns into one of the most awesome, feel good power rock songs ever. It has a hopeful sound to it.

Nemoxs · Post by **Nemoxs** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:49 am

Wow... go kthulhu it's your birthday oh yeah, go you

RamonesFan2020204 · Post by **RamonesFan2020204** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 12:07 pm

Bad music- bad musik-1.Music that sucks and isn't good. 2.Satanic music that I will NOT fall victim to.

FirestormXIII · Post by **FirestormXIII** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 12:07 pm

RamonesFan2020204 wrote:How anyone can like bands like Manson, NIN and the other ones I mentioned that fall under their category is really sad.

What's really sad is that you still haven't given an opinion based around concrete reasoning. There's a difference between good and bad music, and good and bad ideas expressed in music. Maybe if you set out a range of criteria that you use to determine what separates good music from bad music, maybe we could better understand where you're coming from. And saying, "Anything before that new rock crap", doesn't cut it, because there was plenty of shitty music in every era.

Oh, and like Kthulu said already; it doesn't matter a damn here what your mom thinks about the music you listen to. Although it does bring up the interesting question of exactly how old you are, which is something I've never considered before...

Nemoxs · Post by **Nemoxs** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 12:08 pm

I would imagin' he was 13.. but.. if he was 18 that'd scare me

Nurd · Post by **Nurd** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 12:13 pm

RamonesFan2020204 wrote:Bad music- bad musik-1.Music that sucks and isn't good. 2.Satanic music that I will NOT fall victim to.

Number 1 is entirely subjective, just because it is music you do not like, does not mean it's bad music. If I went around claiming that Bach, Beethoven, and Tchaikovsky sucked horribly as musicians and composers just because I wasn't a big fan of classical music, would that make me right? Does my opinion automatically make them "Bad"? Or am I just being a self-absorbed dick who is trying to shove my opinions into the faces of others?

2. Fall victim to? Are you afraid that this music is going to corrupt you in some way? Are evil thoughts going to creep into the brains of all who listen to the "Devil Music"?

You're a troll aren't you? Just here to raise the hairs on our collective necks?

Nurd

Nemoxs · Post by **Nemoxs** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 12:15 pm

I like you nurd... you're now my new best friend.

RamonesFan2020204 · Post by **RamonesFan2020204** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 12:16 pm

Hey, I respect my mother. She's one of the nicest people I know. She has good visions on certain things. She warned me about Marilyn Manson and NIN, and how bad they are when I was 10 or 11 years old, and I've taken her advice since then. And I'm not 13, I'm 17, so I'm STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL! Rock isn't supposed to be about depression and suicide, it's supposed to be about partying, having a good time, love, and some other stuff. My mother has a good vision on certain things. While I'm sure she doesn't like EVERYTHING I like, she still thinks I have good taste. I wanna be an caring and loving person that wants to grow to be an old man and go to heaven when he dies, I don't wanna be some heroin addict that listens to garbage like Manson, Tool, NIN, Fear Factory, etc.

Nemoxs · Post by **Nemoxs** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 12:19 pm

17... jesus help us. dude... why did your mom have to warn you, what are you afraid their gonna come to your door and rape you?

Perhaps this guy didnt know that marilin manson is a strict christain, he belives in god so much he even has a jesus fish on his wall in his house... (mtv house thingies show) you're crazy, go get some help. or maybe you should stop listening to your mom so much.

RamonesFan2020204 · Post by **RamonesFan2020204** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 12:20 pm

Nemoxs wrote:17... jesus help us. dude... why did your mom have to warn you, what are you afraid their gonna come to your door and rape you?

Perhaps this guy didnt know that marilin manson is a strict christain, he belives in god so much he even has a jesus fish on his wall in his house...

I don't believe one bit of that crap. What do you think I'm insane???

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