The future of AMV distro? [followup: open source amv]

[danielwang]

See "Open Source AMV":
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... highlight=
and "OT: Hypothetical Video Codec":
http://www.animemusicvideos.org/phpBB/v ... hp?t=18912

Combine those two ideas - the open-source AMV and the realtime-compile video codec. Why not do both?

On dialup and don't want to download 50MB? Use my video codec. But if you have the anime DVD, you can compile it yourself. An AMV can be distributed in just a few kilobytes, as long as the audience already has a copy of the CD, the DVD, and SmartRipper.

It'll take aroung 10 to 30 minutes to build, which is a big savings of having to download it for dialup users. Plus you get source!

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[Tab.]

You're a very bored person, aren't you?
Make me hexvid

[klinky]

Once apon a time DanielWang was all over the forums. There was unrest and rampent bordom from all his posts. But no one cared because there was alot of crap.

Then he left for a bit, never to post for a longest of whiles. At that time dwchange joined and klinky got confused. Anytime he saw dwchange post I'd give a good . But dwchang is not DanielWang. So I figured this out since dwchang = smart AMD tech while DanielWang = poser who spits buzzwords and stuff from hype machines...

Anyways... DanielWang would come back from time to time to post inane topics such as "HOW TO GET FREE ANIME" - by using a satalitte hacking and stuff to get raw broadcasts from WOWOW

Also he never gets to the point, his posts are 2x as long. He makes a rough draft that takes up two paragraphs... Is clear and concise... as well as to the point. Then he thinks up 27 different buzzwords and catch phrases that he some how must include. Random acronyms are another favorite. Oh and the occasianal "geek joke" that even geeks don't get but daniel can snicker over at his cleverness.

With this he can bloat his posts up 2 times possible 3 - 5 times larger than they have to be.

Newbies may get confused and see "OMG HE IS SO L33t and knows his stuff". But in the end.. Big Wind BAG!: O

[turboneko]

Amen

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After danielwang left and dannywilson showed up I thought they were the same for awhile.
The whole DW thing messed with my head.

[trythil]

With this he can bloat his posts up 2 times possible 3 - 5 times larger than they have to be.

That's why he uses Microsoft products

(ok, I'll admit...that was mean)

Though there's still four big problems:

(1) The source files for an AMV generally take up much more space than the end product itself. (Pre-rendered sections alone are usually bigger than the Internet-distro version.) So much for bandwidth savings.

(2) The chance of someone having the same configuration -- filesystem, program configuration, and so forth -- as the author of an AMV is quite small.

(3) The proposed codec is precisely what Flash is, and would be subject to the same problems as Flash: while you could conceivably capture a video using vectors and mathematical transforms, you'd have to render it out sometime. This gives you two possibilities for playback:
(a) Realtime rendering. Way too slow, especially for trying to precisely recreate bitmapped images.
(b) Rendering to a file and playing back that file. This would work, but require gigantic amounts of disk space and I/O throughput to maintain full frame rate with perfect quality. Basically you'd be trying to play a HuffYUV or uncompressed file at full frame rate. Guess how many PCs have that kind of throughput: none. A compositing workstation at ILM might, but not Joe Average's Dell Dimension XPS.

(4) Given the resolution you'd need to not make the image look like crap, breaking a sequence of bitmaps down into vectors wouldn't result in much of a space savings anyway.


The idea is simply not feasible.

[FurryCurry]

(b) Rendering to a file and playing back that file. This would work, but require gigantic amounts of disk space and I/O throughput to maintain full frame rate with perfect quality. Basically you'd be trying to play a HuffYUV or uncompressed file at full frame rate. Guess how many PCs have that kind of throughput: none. A compositing workstation at ILM might, but not Joe Average's Dell Dimension XPS.

I can play back uncompessed & huff video at full framerate without drops, off my 10k SATA drive. (not ILM)

Still, I agree with the rest of what you & everyone who posted after danielwang have said. I just wanted to brag about my system.

If I make a stupid, pointless post in a stupid pointless thread, does it return a positive result, like multiplying two negative numbers, or am I still stupid?

Wait, don't answer that.

Oh shi

[trythil]

(b) Rendering to a file and playing back that file. This would work, but require gigantic amounts of disk space and I/O throughput to maintain full frame rate with perfect quality. Basically you'd be trying to play a HuffYUV or uncompressed file at full frame rate. Guess how many PCs have that kind of throughput: none. A compositing workstation at ILM might, but not Joe Average's Dell Dimension XPS.

I can play back uncompessed & huff video at full framerate without drops, off my 10k SATA drive. (not ILM)

Alright: amend my statement to "very few"

(by the way, you suck for being able to do that )

I think that (3)(b) still stands though: there are very few systems out there that have the capability to do uncompressed SD video at full framerate.

If I make a stupid, pointless post in a stupid pointless thread, does it return a positive result, like multiplying two negative numbers, or am I still stupid?

I think we're all stupid for even bothering with this thread...

[Dannywilson]

I can play huffyuv at 720x480 at full speed, and thats how I watch most of my vids to check for errors before I do a distro encode. But full uncompressed gives me some shit(I drop 1 out of every 8 or so frames), as does trying to directly play IVTC scripts in VDub(I drop one out of every 6 or so). I know where the problems are, they're A) not RAIDing my 180gb of drives(both 7200rpm, 1 60gb, and one 120gb), B) not having registered/ECC RAM(I have 2 512 sticks of DDR), and C) not defragging/wiping my drives nearly enough. My procs are a dual 1.8 ghz MP's, with a MSI motherboard.

[NME]

holy shit,

I'm gonna go hack ragnarok, then some other shitty korean RPG.
Then I'm gonna make a thread about obsessing over operating systems used in Anime.
Then I'll go watch TV on my 1337 hacked-card satellite system.
Then I'll take a trip to the bathroom to make another topic.

Plz use this day planner wang:

Monday: Buy gun, bullets

Wednesday: BLOW BRAINS OUT