sad news for metal fans

Kai Stromler · Post by **Kai Stromler** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 2:31 pm

nailz1000 wrote:If you can prove i'm wrong, I'm all for it.

Evergrey.

Case closed. I don't normally like prog metal either (Dream Theater has made me fall asleep, I want to hit Destiny's End with a baseball bat, etc), but this band is a stark exception. Sort of like Symphony X except unilaterally dark.

And if this doesn't convince you, then this will. Some may get picky about this kind of classification, but since _Politics..._ atleast they have been firmly prog-thrash, and the new CD, much like _DHIADW_, absolutely kills.

--K

nailz · Post by **nailz** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 4:59 pm

I'm not a big fan of Evergrey either. I think they had one good song. I managed to download a bunch of their stuff and was actually quite bored with it. I'll check out Nevermore though, I do believe I've done so in the past and liked them a bit.

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 5:42 pm

Nevermore is a seriously cool band. They're about the heaviest metal you can get without growly vocals. I guess calling them prog would be a little bit of a stretch, but thrash-prog works nicely. And, yeah, EoR is amazing.

And Nailz, prog (either metal or rock) bands don't suck, you just don't like 'em. Jerk.

TokyoU15 · Post by **TokyoU15** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:15 pm

Throw an insult, and then when proven wrong, don't bother standing up for your original comment, but back right the fuck off. What a pussy you are.

No, I stand believe Iced Earth is PROG., but Flint brought up good points about them being POWERMETAL. All I simply said was that IE mixes it up well, but overall they are progressive. Burnt Offerings, Dante's Inferno, Last December, FUCKIN' FULL ON PROGRESSIVE! Dracula, The Reckoning (VOCALLY), Almost ANYTHING from horror show, POWER METAL.

You want another insult? You're a fucking moron that likes to spew bullshit and then like to make ignorant assumptions. You don't like prog? That's fine, but don't be a moron and insult everyone that likes it.

Nevermore...fuckin' awesome band. Thrash-Prog? hhmm, well, they're not fast enough to be thrash...They're just weird, but really good.

Iamshadowkiller · Post by **Iamshadowkiller** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:22 pm

JERK 2 D XTREME!!!!!!!

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nailz · Post by **nailz** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:29 pm

TokyoU15 wrote: You don't like prog? That's fine, but don't be a moron and insult everyone that likes it. .

First of all, you're the one who first insulted ME. I did not insult anyone who likes prog. If I did anything, I insulted the genere itself. Not it's fans. You like prog metal? Thats fine, good for you, I personally, would just rather listen to something worth while.

They make pills for paranoia, you know.

TokyoU15 · Post by **TokyoU15** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:47 pm

yeah...I guess I did insult ya first. Shit happens, lost my temper real quick.

They make pills for paranoia, you know.

I think I could seriously need 'em...

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 7:09 pm

Well, you did say it sucks/not worthwhile. Suppose wording it differently might have been a bit more understandable/unoffensive.

That's alright though, I think I understand what you're implying.
Heck, still, if Prog (objectively) sucked - I'd have pretty much nothing left to listen to.

But really man, prog metal is broad enough, but when you throw in something like prog rock into the mix - really, making harsh statements about it is just unrealistic. It's as diverse as music gets.

nailz · Post by **nailz** » Mon Aug 04, 2003 9:51 pm

Otohiko wrote:Well, you did say it sucks/not worthwhile. Suppose wording it differently might have been a bit more understandable/unoffensive.

And yet, that would not be my style. =P I can't stand prog stuff, like I said, thats my opinion. You listen to it? Fine. I think it's garbage. I cant stand the Repetitive low guitars, and the style of vocals. Barlow might have been the best singer ever, but I want to crack him in the face with a hot iron because of his whiny voice in iced earth. I can't stand dark, whiny music. Thats more or less why I hate prog.

So why do I hate dream theater? Because they're very unorganised, musically, to my ear. I'm not a music major, I don't know anything about time signatures, I've never been in a band. I can't appreciate music made for people that have, and only people that have.

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Tue Aug 05, 2003 4:08 pm

Repetitie low guitars? eh?

Well, maybe you and me have different ideas as to what prog is. To me, prog is mainly prog rock, a movement that started in the late 60's and flourished through the 70's (also known as art rock, which included many bands with massive musical differences between them: i.e. Jethro Tull, Yes, ELP, Genesis, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, etc.) and then spilled out into other grounds (like prog-pop) and influenced a new generation of musicians (mainly prog-metal), thus still going on today. Prog rock itself largely died before the start of the 80's (as in, stopped it's evolution), prog-pop is also largely extinct, but prog metal is currently going strong.

Some prog bands don't/didn't even feature guitarists. Some don't even have vocalists (all instrumental), or have vocals that are completely out of the rock idea of vocals.

My understanding is, your view of prog is largely confined to a certain area of the new generation of prog-metal. My view of prog is quite different. I don't even have any Dream Theater or Iced Earth in my record collection.

So don't knock prog. Prog (to some) is a lot more than what you see it as.