The forces of God and Devil

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 5:06 pm

whaa...

dammit, I wasn't talking to you non...
...you're post ruined the coolness of my non-quote containing post...

fyrtenheimer · Post by **fyrtenheimer** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 5:06 pm

Ut oh. Sauce cakes.

The Non-Professional · Post by **The Non-Professional** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 5:17 pm

EarthCurrent wrote:whaa...
dammit, I wasn't talking to you non...
...you're post ruined the coolness of my non-quote containing post...

Then my work here is done.

SQ · Post by SQ » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:33 pm

The Non-Professional wrote:
SQ wrote:I am simply stating what I believe.
Believe what you want.
I'm not trying to convert you.

Then dont post. Religion, faith, and stuff like that is not a subject to be taken lightly on these forum. Flames are sure to rise. Learn this like i did. So shut up.

I was expecting flames. I was just tired of all the crap I was getting in IM and every place I turned around, so I wanted all that crap/whatever else to be concentrated in one spot instead.

Jebadia · Post by **Jebadia** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 6:50 pm

Was I at least somewhat inciteful?

klinky · Post by **klinky** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 7:57 pm

God is everyone's boyfriend. You could say god is a slut, but that's a bit harsh. When other people start talking and gathering about their relationship with God and all the stuff God does for them, the other people get jealous and lash out.

"God is my bitch not yours and this is what he does to me"

Then a big bitch fight happens...

God drives up in his Porsche 911, and says "Don't worry you can all be my bitches". Then everyone giggles and hops in his car and they all have a grand ol' religious orgy

FirestormXIII · Post by **FirestormXIII** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 8:00 pm

klinky wrote:God is everyone's boyfriend. You could say god is a slut, but that's a bit harsh. When other people start talking and gathering about their relationship with God and all the stuff God does for them, the other people get jealous and lash out.

"God is my bitch not yours and this is what he does to me"

Then a big bitch fight happens...

God drives up in his Porsche 911, and says "Don't worry you can all be my bitches". Then everyone giggles and hops in his car and they all have a grand ol' religious orgy

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW! GOD IS A PIMP

R-A-N-M-A · Post by **R-A-N-M-A** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 10:45 pm

BUt at the end of the night they all own him $4000 or their souls.

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 11:02 pm

holy shit how did I miss this.

What you just described is one of the largest follies of christianity and profane western doctrine. I have a lot to say in reply to your post, so I'll just go right through it.

But I gave them human characteristics!

yes, the christian god is called anthropomorphic, meaning humanlike. He's given qualities such as feeling, thought. Abilities like judgement, wrath, intelligence, powerfulness, direct descendance into a human body. Things that show a fatal misunderstaning of what "God" if it's even proper to give it a name, truly is.

But BAM! some wierd instant surge of brainstorming informs me that I am thinking in ALL THE WRONG WAYS!

you and a lot of other people. It's called exotericism and corruption.

Niether God nor Lucifer can be comprehended in means of our world.

Exactly. Our thoughts, feelings, emotions, are all finite things. Yet we try to force and apply our consciousness onto something we claim to be infinite. "And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehendeth it not." Finity cannot comprehend infinity, and vice-versa. God is an abstract cause, not a being.

That said, "God" is the force that creates life. Life is brought in, and it lives.
"Devil" is the force that takes life. Once life is lived or created, it must die. So "Lucifer" is the force which takes life.

from this point on you branch into your own interpretations of the opposing deities in the christian dogma. While they are your interpretations and nobody can change that, it seems too tainted with phenomenalism IMO. Life and death don't exsit as poles in eastern thought. Instead, you have illusion, and truth. Life as a cognative chain of events which you experience through the senses, is illusion, Maya, the veil. Matter is a dream. The absence of that is truth. Death as seen through phenomenalist tunnel vision is destruction, oblivion. In reality, it's merely awakening from a dream into true reality. The duality of good/evil, love/hate, whatnot, are inventions of this dualistic world, but not the original point which it fell out of and returns to.

Anyway, I find it incredible that you could come up with such an inspired set of concepts out of the meager dogmas of christianity, and I applaud you. I also suggest you take a look at some of the ideas of eastern thought, such as the hindu vedic philosophies, and other mystically oriented theologies. You'll find a lot of interesting interpretations of existance and the universe, some concepts very similar to what you've expressed.

Congrats, not often do you come across thinkers like yourself. At least none that are willing to outwardly discuss their views.

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 11:25 pm

Whenever you talk about something like "God" or religion, you deal with assumptions. Different assumptions lead to different conclusions, each of which seem correct to the one making the initial assumption.

I ask that no one who wishes to carry on a serious discussion within this thread refer to any beliefs as "wrong", "perverted", "profane" or anything else along those lines. While one may be certain of their knowledge and belief, that does not give the right to assert that any other belief is incorrect.

=)