The forces of God and Devil

SQ · Post by SQ » Thu Jul 31, 2003 2:37 pm

This probbaly seems very snotty of me, but I got tired of all the IMs asking me what I meant by what I wrote in my journal.

For anyone who wants to know, as of right now, there are two posts about the forces of God and Devil in there. One's names "I've been thinking of it all wrong" and the other is "Fate and Destiny".
Or you can be lazy and read it in sequential order right here.

7/30/03 -

"All this time, I've been thinking that God was a man, and that the Devil was a man. Or atleast, Man in some way. Even though I believe there's no true way to tell whether they exist or not... If they do exist, I knew they'd be basically... just random energy floating about.
But I gave them human characteristics!
I was always like "Well, God, being who he is, would be very selfish and full of himself" and so on.

But BAM! some wierd instant surge of brainstorming informs me that I am thinking in ALL THE WRONG WAYS!
Niether God nor Lucifer can be comprehended in means of our world.
"God" and "Lucifer" are only names given to the force which flows through us all... They are not beings of their own minds, they are forces just liek gravity, with some sort of mathimatical formula to justify them.
Although, I'll admit that formula will be probably just as tricky as the force that's destiny, but "God" and "Devil" are merely names for FORCES, not BEINGS!

If everyone thought of Gravity like they thought of God, then Priests and other things who could contact Gravity would be weighted down much more by force, while sinners would be floating everywhere(Defying the laws of gravity!)

That said, "God" is the force that creates life. Life is brought in, and it lives.
"Devil" is the force that takes life. Once life is lived or created, it must die. So "Lucifer" is the force which takes life.

THAT is why prayers arn't answered! THAT is why people can have so much doubt! THAT is why, regardless of the bible being true or not, "God" is still a FORCE. as is Gravity, as is Devil.

The Devil isn't evil, he is only death. God isn't good, he is only life. Good and evil are perceptions from US, and do not amount to anything. Afterall, everyone's perceptions of good and evil are different. I'd dwelve into that more, but it would be a really long essay.

Think of it as a pond.
The things floating on the top of the pond, plants, leaves, are us. Life.
The things at the bottom of the pond, and under the water, are Death, Lucifer, Devil.
All the air above the pond is God. Giver of Life.

Now you've probably got questions.
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No one can live forever. Immortality is just bogus.
You can't have God without the Devil, you can't have Life without the Death.
How would it be if everything lived forever? If all humans born lived and prospered? If every animal and plant and bug never passed on?
How would eat if we could not kill a cow, or sow a seed? Would we just live a life of never ending pain of hunger?
Not to mention the overcrowding if no one and nothing died. The vines that feed off living trees would probably not even exist! And even if they did, then almost every tree would have a vine sucking the life out of it, but never dying.
Think of viruses, Small Pox! If the diesese can never die, how can we make antidotes and cure ourselves? Sure, the injection is made of a sick or injured cell of the illness, but that's only to help your immune system kill the other cells.

Every white and red blood cell in our body would live. All of us would have some sort of diesese, and live in agony and never die.

So that is why we have Devil, Death, Lucifer. Balance is important.
Without one, you cannot have the other.
If God, Life didn't exist, then niether would Death, Lucifer, Devil.

God and Lucifer are the sides of the same coin. No matter how it's flipped, both are always there...

God does not house the dead. God only creates, brings forth life.
The Devil houses all the dead. Niether of them are good nor evil. There are two sides-- Life, and death.

God gives life, Devil, Lucifer, takes it.
It's that simple.
Regardless, that doesn't make God good, and it doesn't make Lucifer evil.
Lucifer is just the keeper of the dead, and God is the creator of the living.

All dead are housed in one place, and all spirits that are to be brought to life housed in the other.
If that were explained thoroughly, you would have your Heaven and Hell.

But, to keep that Balance I detailed earlier, you'd have to recycle.
Which means that reincarnation WOULD exist, and be used-- if sparingly.

So, I can sum it up like this:
God = force that brings life.
Devil/ Lucifer = Force that takes life.
Heaven = House of spirits.souls that are to be brought to life
Hell = House of spirits/souls of the dead, who are not yet to be recycled (A landfill, if you will).

Since force and matter cannot be created nor destroyed, it is only obvious that spirits/souls would have to be recycled in order to keep the balance.

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Now, you can either think me a blithering idiot, or a genious for thinking this up, but think over what I just said... I know there's a lot of holes in it, but overall, if you think about it, it makes next to perfect sense. "

7/31/03 -

"So now that I've explained the basics of God and Devil, it's time to detail the forces of Fate and Destiny.

Fate and Destiny are syllables, really. Faith is the connecting of all things where every action has been preordained and you have no conrol what you do with your life.
Destiny is the place in which you were pulled to, as in "this was our destiny". For example, you being married, or winning the lottery, or dying in a tragic way.

Fate and Destiny are similiar to the force which is gravity. Think of that pond I explained earlier, where the living are those things flotaing ontop of the pond water, while everything uner water was Dead, and everything above was about to come to life.

Mentally throw a stone in that pond.
The ripples that are caused by the stone are Fate, the movements of the floating objects on the water are destiny. That is cause and effect.
However, notice how the stone sunk to the bottom. Gravity pulled the stone from the air, through the pond, and to the ground underneath.
The stone went, with the aid of gravity, fate, and destiny, from your hand, resembling the power God, to the bottom of the pond, resembling the power of Devil.

This proves that all life if preordanied.

Although, you may not think this.

We fool ourselves that we can make out own choices in life and do what we want, but in fact it is fate that leads us, and destiny that effects other people. We have no way with our own lives, every plant and animal strives for the same thing: Death.

Death is the sole reason why we live. It is the purpose of Life.
Think about this.
If our purpose in life was to, say, become a singer, then thousands upon millions of people would fail in their goal.
What fo the stillborns? The invalids? The mute? The little children who are murdered, every day? If our purpose in life were to be anything other then die, everyone and thing would probably fail in their purpose.

There is only one, unified purpose, for all living things, so that the balance in everything will stay balanced. If people failed in their duty to their own life, they'd have to keep living to leave their "mark" on the world.
And there would be a major tip in the scale.

So, think of fate and destiny as a tree in the ground.
The vast roots of the tree are fate-- the road leading the way to Devil.
And the ground in which the roots are held is Destiny -- The aftereffects of Fate.

Since all is predertermined to some degree, this is why your fortune can be told! Tarot cards will also work, since all forces-- gravity, fate, destiny, god, and devil-- are at work to guide the cards.

Think what you will, but this is how I believe the forces of Fate, gravity, god, and devil come into play."

So now...

Flames, questions, etc.
From now on, all PMs and IMs will just get a reply from me by a link ot this thread...

Satomi · Post by **Satomi** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 2:43 pm

Wow. I didn't know there was a person who thought like me.

SQ · Post by SQ » Thu Jul 31, 2003 2:46 pm

Well, more will be coming each day, until I run out of stuff to write.. Which will probably be a long time.. Unless I actually post one topic per day like I want to.. In which case, I'll be done in 8 days. But.. Hey, there's always new topics to talk about.

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 2:59 pm

Susan Pagels you are not...

You choose Sam,the rest · Post by **You choose Sam,the rest** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 3:03 pm

When I first read that entry, the only thing that popped into my mind was what Agent Smith said in Reloaded about purpose and surprising enough, he was right and the quote goes like this:

But, as you well know, appearances can be deceiving, which brings me back to the reason why we're here. We're not here because we're free. We're here because we're not free. There is no escaping reason; no denying purpose. Because as we both know, without purpose, we would not exist. It is purpose that created us. Purpose that connects us. Purpose that pulls us. That guides us. That drives us. It is purpose that defines us. Purpose that binds us.

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 3:17 pm

RAAARGH!!!

*summons 70 clones of himself to fight...

^_^

Well, as far as that is concerned, I listen to the song "God is a Girl" by Groove Coverage...

It's lyrics are quite uplifting actually. I wouldn't mind loving an Almighty Goddess after all...

But, I think it's because man's dominance over history caused this gender thing to arise...

I'm pro-feminist so... 8)

fyrtenheimer · Post by **fyrtenheimer** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 3:49 pm

So how many ppl was it exactly that IM'ed you until you thought it grand to post that here.

Mr Pilkington · Post by **Mr Pilkington** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 4:08 pm

Well right or wrong, its of no relevance to me.

Like many of the worlds amv l33t I worship Nestomocapholese. The mighty lord of sneezes and orgasms!

nailz · Post by **nailz** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 4:11 pm

I think you're insane. maybe, I'll pick apart your post at a later time.

The Non-Professional · Post by **The Non-Professional** » Thu Jul 31, 2003 4:16 pm

Can I be your Lover?