New topic for "Music Video Guide"

Nemoxs · Post by **Nemoxs** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 11:56 am

But it will still have stuff for the more advanced users.

Oh and it also has a guide to tapping out your computers use if you're using anything below a 1ghz

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 1:22 pm

TokyoU15 wrote:
Problem? That's an awesome solution AbsoluteDestiny. I'm actually glad I had to go back to check back on things like IVTC and such despite that. That's not a problem, that's a solution. A filter that separates the dumb n00b from the smart n00b...

If you're lazy, you shouldn't be getting into amvs to begin with. The "soul" of the amv truely is being corrupted. I don't see amvs as merely [something for fun]. It can be something for fun AND be a beautiful art form that takes time to master.

It's like a good video game or any other hobby, it can be easy to learn, but impossible to master for some people...

That n00b filter that A&E placed in their guides is great. One of the reasons their guides are and always will be the best guides... If you're not old enough to understand what's being said, (I'm not a video tech person by any means, but still) you shouldn't start on amvs...

my $0.02 ^_^
woa dude, calm yourself now. Don't start calling me a dumb n00b. I've been doing this since 2001 fucker! lol, anyway. did you not notice the quotaion marks? They aren't a problem to ME, but it might to be to SOME. I'm a lazy bastard, that's a given, that doens't mean I don't have the dedication to learn. Like I said, I did what i had to do. I sat down and read everything, I'm not complaining. I think the guide is great.

Not everyone feels like we do Omni. That's the biggest complain I've heard from people who don't understand the guide. So recap...it's not a problem for me, but might be for others.

Since 2001? ME TOO!

you biotch :p

^_^

Anyways, a dumb n00b isn't just one who "does it cause they can". What you are doing is learning from mistakes. Not forgetting them. The best n00bs know where they fucked up and they care about the mistake. They will find work arounds. And thus, n00bs get better. From the current trend I'm seeing, I see n00bs getting better faster than before... this is good

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 1:31 pm

trythil wrote:Why bother with an effects guide?

All that'll lead to is more and more people using (abusing) the same old effects. Not to mention that it'll be unnecessarily program-dependent (you can replicate any effect in any program, but such a guide will just further the myth that you need 4d0b3 Pr3m1r3 to do that OMGWTF effect you just saw in some video), it won't list the other 4,000 ways to accomplish an effect, it most likely won't include a discussion of how to effectively use the effect...

The way to learn effects isn't to read some guide. It's to figure out the program you're using, and then figure out just what you want that effect to mean in the context you're using it.

I'll tell you why, when people start begging you, it needs to stop!! ^_^
I'm NOT for a guide that explains EXACTLY how a CERTAIN effect was done.

Like my Spectral Teardrops set or Optic Resonance Symphony set was done...

My guide would concern itself with TRANSPARENCY!!! [that my friends is the TRUE KEY to making AWESOME fx without too much headache

]

It would show some basic issues with transparency and I'd make sure that it doesn't concern only Premiere. [I'm sure there's lots of other progs out there with helpfiles that'll tell you how to make something transparent a certain way...]

If one makes a "cheap" example transparency guide, I'd say that the innovation will grow from there... Just show how to use transparency masking a certain way... RGB, screen usage, etc. Not how to MAKE / EMULATE an effect... The examples would all be just "cheap" stuff that wouldn't really be considered 1337 by any means at all ^_^ I'd probably throw in how to make "Void Flare"... [yes, the BLACK lensflare] ^_^ The help files CERTAINLY CAN'T show you how to do it, but it's actually just a transparency trick, nothing more ^_^ [a very simple trick too, it can be modifed an infinite number of ways to boot] I just want to show one simple trick and POOF, the editor can figure out from there...

Also, for the last time, NEITHER of my newest vids: Blue Sky Brings Tears or Together - Soothing Symphonic used After Effects or any "extra" plugins that some of you people think I'm hiding in Premiere. It's all just Premiere's doing

Koopiskeva is the strongest contender regarding what he said:
"It's not the program, it's the editor" /me salutes hard! ^_^

OW...

trythil · Post by **trythil** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 1:45 pm

OmniStrata wrote:
My guide would concern itself with TRANSPARENCY!!! [that my friends is the TRUE KEY to making AWESOME fx without too much headache ]

I disagree with that

That's the other problem with an effects guide - or any sort of guide that tries to teach artistry. You have two options:

(1) you'd get too many people using the same style, and things'd just get bland, or
(2) you'd have WAY too much information, and nobody would figure out what the heck was going on anyway.

If people want to learn the technical side of effects, they can read the manual for their program. They can read the Porter-Duff paper or about Porter-Duff compositing algebra, which forms the basis for all digital image compositing (and therefore a good chunk of digital effects). But I don't really think a guide is necessary, nor do I think it would be beneficial.

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Personally I think this is enough of an effects guide:

(1) envision what you want to do
(2) do it

...but that's just me.

Dannywilson · Post by **Dannywilson** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:03 pm

TokyoU15 wrote:Also, a lot of AD's effects on Shameless would be a good example. I know he's said how he did them in the past, but it would be nice to have 'em on teh guide.

Basicly, I want to do an effects guide that doesn't show you on the manual.

That was the most fun for me. I sat down one day and said how did he do that? I then decided to figure out how he did all the effects. And I did, and you know what? It was fun, and i got a much greater sense of accomplishment than I would have if it was just handed to me.

My 2 cents.

Red Wolf · Post by **Red Wolf** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:52 pm

I really need to sit down and update my Mac AMV guide

Nemoxs · Post by **Nemoxs** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:06 pm

Yes you do

Farlo · Post by **Farlo** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:29 pm

SSJVegita0609 wrote:. I know it sounds simple, but then again, so does uploading a video to the org, and people can't seem to figure that one out without help either

i say if people dont know how to upload..then they shouldnt eve be trying it in the first place

Nemoxs · Post by **Nemoxs** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:36 pm

you know, sometimes stuff just doesnt click in peoples minds... personaly i say if you cant take appart a transmission on a car you shouldnt be aloud to drive one...

It's the same as what you just said only to a car...

Sometimes it takes a while for people to get it clicked in their minds on how to do something, so you cant go downing someone just because they cant figure out to upload...

I'm not dissagreeing with you totally, all i'm saying is some people might need a bit of help.

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:46 pm

The guides would be handier if they included short bullets style lists or notes at either the top or bottom of a section. Or even in the middle when going through step by step sort of things.

Occasionally I get annoyed that I have to try and read through a paragraph to find a given setting or something of the sort. Certainly it's just me being lazy, but it would speed up the usability of the guides.