AMV rants, and complaints [is now a music vs. music thread]

pmfreak · Post by **pmfreak** » Sun Jul 27, 2003 11:32 pm

I'm wondering if anyone of you AMV creators ever had any AMV rants, and complaints....

Like for me (in my P.O.V.)

-I think they're too many AMVs that used rock music in there video, especially those damn LinkinBallZ vids..

-got to mention this again, Those damn LinkinBallZ vids.

-What's so hard using rap music for an AMV? It's like RARE for me to see an AMV that used RAP music, and win an award for it. (am I the only one who likes rap music?)

-hearing a song I dislike.

-Seeing a trolled video in a contest... and later... winning a contest...

-Seeing a video that should of won, but didn't...

-Seeing a video that used the same song, and same anime, and seeing another just like it in the same contest.

-Seeing the same scene in an anime in the AMV, (ex. seeing Vash falling from the building, and I saw that for like 6 or more times in the pre-judging alone)

I think that's all my rant's, and complaints when it comes to AMVs.....

NME · Post by **NME** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 12:45 am

Wow Pmfreak, you make some valid points therenot
I totally agree with youlie

But then again, how valid can the points of someone who puts a dub track on their AMV be?

Dead_Pool · Post by **Dead_Pool** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:35 am

Well the problem with Rap music son is that it sucks

, and doesn't translate well into an AMV. For one thing they are always rapping about there self, drinking 40's on the curb while smoking weed, and smaking there bitches out, alot of that doesn't translate well into an AMV. Personally I like some rap so I am not dissing the musical stlye, I used InterGalactic for an AMV.

Maybe what I am saying is that alot of Rap music doesn't get very personal with a person, say like Stairway to Heaven, or what not Rock music /Alternative has more feeling and emotion put into it and is written in a more personal level, as per say Riding in your car smoking blunts and being more rich than the closest rapper next to you etc etc..... Anyway I could go on but I think you get my point and thats just my opinon anyway.

OmniStrata · Post by **OmniStrata** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:56 am

Considering you have enough time and physical energy to type complaints...

I wish more people would stop complaining and start writing opinions! Then less "bad" vids would be released as time goes on...

[boo yah...]

8)

Nemoxs · Post by **Nemoxs** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:56 am

... I don't know weather to laugh.. or cry that dragonball is being pimped out like a whore on a daily basis.

Dannywilson · Post by **Dannywilson** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:11 am

OmniStrata wrote:Considering you have enough time and physical energy to type complaints...

I wish more people would stop complaining and start writing opinions! Then less "bad" vids would be released as time goes on...

[boo yah...]

8)

Ops dont change anything if the person doesnt care about them Omni. Or if the person thinks of them as an ego blow job, as so many newbs do.

inanitydishamen · Post by **inanitydishamen** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:25 am

I disagree, while this thread was not made to be a 'music vs. music' thread (lord knows that would be more at home in the music forums), it will visit that topic for a breif period.

Rap music is a strange and varied style. On one end of the rap spectrum there is the self indulgent, party lifestyle. But on the other side there is a totally different tone and type of music.

Rap was originally made as party music, talking of good times and having fun. But, with the good comes the bad (to put it in a cliche). With the introduction of rap in the mid/late 70's the world of urban America was changing rapidly, the black panthers and other groups were making things known and heard about the strife of young black men on American streets. Rap music was still about partying, but the focus of that was deviating, the release of 'Rappers Delight' by "The Sugarhill Gang" was probably the very first truly commercial rap single, selling thousands of singles in 1980, the year of it's release, a previously unheard amount for a rap single.

As times changed and Reganomics came into play, life got markedly worse for the young urban male. Crime and drug use were on the rise and definately contributed to the music's change in focus. The first group to make a song of real urban strife was "Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five" with 'The Message'. The song illustrated the trials and tribulations of many young black americans at the time, stuck in a dead end job, living in a slum, barely able to pay the bills. Times were worsening for black people in general as the regan era progressed. Groups like NWA and Public enemy, while radically different lyrically had much of the same message, a young black male, picked on and pushed around by an authority figure, eventually rising up and demanding change. NWA used violence in their lyrics and had a very raw sound, public enemy was not as voilent, but the two groups were both pushing for major changes in the white house and on the streets.

When Regan left the white house and bush came in, things were not any better. Rap continued to focus on the bad, although the situation for many artists improved. It was becoming a more accepted music form, and making many artists quite a lot of money.

When Clinton moved into the white house the situation for many black males got better, times were not quite as hard as they used to be. Rap's focus changed, from largely being dominated by bad things, the artists who had suffered in their urban sprawls for many years of their young lives, started to run into large amounts of money. The 'cash money' lifestyle of many rappers was born through having more money than what many of them knew what to do with. Compensating for lost time and money, flashy cars, diamonds and jewlery became the new excess item for rap artists and some urban males. Good times ruled. Rap's focus changed somewhat, from being about living in a nightmare, to living everyone's dream.

Rap is a very dynamic musical genre, it encompasses many ideas and can change as society changes. While rock can do this to some extent, it is not nearly as flexible as rap is. Music has always been a catalyst for change, from moods in a movie or AMV, to being a distributor of new ideas and thoughts. Rap is flexible musically and lyrically, which makes it much better suited to expressing ideas and thoughts.

In closing I would like to say that, the things played on the radio should in no way be taken as all that a musical genre has to offer. Most recently the rapper "50 Cent" made a song called 'In Da Club' which is a pure, unadulterated party song. Although, on the very same album which 'In Da Club' is featured on, "50 Cent" deals with his life and talks very candidly about past experiences in which he has done things he is less than proud of. Rap is a very personal type of music. Most lyrics are written in the MC's context, drawing from the MC's own experinces and life. What I'm trying to say is that 'Rap' and 'Rock' are two differet genres entirely, one is written predominently by people of european decent and the other is written by people of african. The race difference should be proof enough that the two musical styles have nothing in common, and should not be compared to one another.

So there you have it, the musical styles and genres are very different, but there is no question as to which musical genre has more personal levels of content.

In the end you can decide for yourself which you like better. After all, in the end it is just music. Just listen to what makes you feel good.

Kai Stromler · Post by **Kai Stromler** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:50 am

<ACP slide sample from At The Gates' "Suicide Nation">

locked, loaded, and ready to go even further off-topic....

inanitydishamen wrote: Rap is a very dynamic musical genre, it encompasses many ideas and can change as society changes. While rock can do this to some extent, it is not nearly as flexible as rap is. Music has always been a catalyst for change, from moods in a movie or AMV, to being a distributor of new ideas and thoughts. Rap is flexible musically and lyrically, which makes it much better suited to expressing ideas and thoughts.

bull. This can be said of any genre of music, except possibly those like black metal and some hardcore which paint themselves into stylistic corners for philosophical reasons. 'Rock', at the purest technical level, covers both the Propaghandis and Skrewdriver. Nobody has a monopoly on divergent perspectives and new ideas.

inanitydishamen wrote: What I'm trying to say is that 'Rap' and 'Rock' are two differet genres entirely, one is written predominently by people of european decent and the other is written by people of african. The race difference should be proof enough that the two musical styles have nothing in common, and should not be compared to one another.

history says no.
jazz - invented by african-americans, gradually taken over by european-americans.
rock - invented by african-americans after whites took over jazz, gradually taken over by european-americans.
rap/hip hop - invented by african-americans after whites took over rock, hasn't quite yet been taken over by european-americans.

It is undeniable that rock music, even as it exists today, is heavily built on black cultural foundations. The notions of some unbridgeable racial gulf between the styles are consistently false. Indeed, it's been suggested, due to similarities in lyrics and worldview, that the gangsta rap and thrash metal that developed almost simultaneously in the early to mid 1980s are a lot more closely related to each other than they are to earlier party rap and heavy rock. Anthrax's work with Public Enemy and Ice-T's (now revived) thrash effort Body Count definitely support this hypothesis.

No idea where this rock-rap no-relation screed came from, but it's still wrong.

--K

inanitydishamen · Post by **inanitydishamen** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 12:00 pm

It was never said they are opposites, in the total sense. While rock was indeed built on black music, as many other forms of music were, what music changes into is largely based on who makes the music. Had rock music stayed with black people, would it be the same today? Would rap have been created? When I say nothing in common I am very loose with the term. What a form of music or art changes into has everything to do with who performs it. Whoever makes the music controls it. History doesn't mean a thing when you have people coming from a different direction performing the music.

Kai Stromler · Post by **Kai Stromler** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 12:07 pm

inanitydishamen wrote:When I say nothing in common I am very loose with the term.

And yet "nothing in common" is a strong statement that demands to be substantiated.

Using the preview button before posting and reading over your comment again is an excellent way to keep from looking silly.

If I can figure out anything else rational in your comment, I may respond to that as well.

--K