Saddam Hussein's Family Tree Has Been Trimmed.

[Otohiko]

Meh... but Hiroshima and Nagasaki...

Well, I don't worry much about it, I myself don't think that US would really go this far - just playing devil's advocate and disagreeing with military politics.

In any case, my location = basement.

basement=foreign liberal hippies who like to piss in America's drink

foreign liberal hippies who like to piss in America's drink=irrelevant

I just hope you Americans don't go too far, that's all. Personally, I hate political discussions because they have a lot of opportunities to piss generally friendly people off, all whilst having little actual personal value to me. So, I'll try to quit this.. peacefully.

[madmallard]

Conducting military campaigns against Muslims on false premises (against international law, without consent of major international organisations), including bombing, missile attacks, artillery bombardments, suppression of anti-american demonstrations in Iraq, etc.

OKay, man you just invalidated yourself. If we wanted muslims dead, they'd be dead. You've contracdicted yourself. If we're so concerned about slaying muslims, why are american soldiers protecting them?

And as far as international law, Go readl UN Resolutions 678 and 687 on their web page. And get a real arguement.

Also, a professed Christian. 'Thou shalt not kill.'

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Thou shalt not kill my fucking ass!

Apparently, this theory that killing beyond the needs of survival is not only OK, but in fact naturally human, justifies everything. Right...

When you go read the Hebrew texts of the commandments and try to translate them, then you can preach. until then, you best not speak of things you are not driven enough to research for the truth.

I'd rather be a fucking animal than a human under those conditions. Although, to think of it, humans are essentially animals, only dumber.

okay man. . .you. . . you just keep doing your thing. . .

[madmallard]

oh, and as far as quitting peacefully. . . .you're entilited to your own opinion just fine and dandy welcome to advocate it but. . .

Seriously people, cut the shit and stop involving me in political discussions.

We're not involving you, dude. there's a little "submit" button that does that for you when you click it.

[madmallard]

Supposedly, it's not "thou shalt not kill". It's more "thou shalt not MURDER".

There is a difference. "Kill" is a general term, while "murder" is a specific one.

you've read the hebrew?

dude, we so totally differ on many fundamental political ideas, yet for some reason in these threads i end up seeing pretty level with you. . .

[Otohiko]

Aw geez. See what happens when I do this?

My main argument, regardless, is that it's still immoral.

Plus, aren't we the non-sarcastic ones Personally, I think while the Hussein family are a bunch of bastards, I think some claims against them are a tad exaggarated. And that's just a personal opinion, based mainly on my distrust towards mainstream Western media reporting practices. In general, I was more sarcastic than serious in some of those claims about Bush. As it stands, I still don't think much of him however...

There is a religious dimension to the conflict - but not to the extent of strictly anti-muslim warfare. I don't believe that myself.

Similarly, pointing fingers at Christianity is a bit useless since 'thou shalt not kill' is not law, just morals... Law can be immoral. So that's also intentional exaggaration.

So, this is exactly what happens when you get me into politics. I largely base my judgement on personal moral convictions, so you can disagree as much as you want.

Meanwhile... I gotta get to sleep. Maybe I'll be a bit less pissed at stuff tomorrow and won't go into this politics crap again.

[madmallard]

Aw geez. See what happens when I do this?

My main argument, regardless, is that it's still immoral.

Plus, aren't we the non-sarcastic ones

Forgive the dense hamster. Its hard to get tone of voice acrost a text arguement filled with bile. ;p

Personally, I think while the Hussein family are a bunch of bastards, I think some claims against them are a tad exaggarated. And that's just a personal opinion, based mainly on my distrust towards mainstream Western media reporting practices.

Thats why i gagged my text with both -confirmed- and -suspected- on his kids.

In general, I was more sarcastic than serious in some of those claims about Bush. As it stands, I still don't think much of him however...

And thats fine, there are plenty of other valid points to burn him on, like government spending. I dont think the war is a good, or factualy valid point to criticise him the way he's being criticized.

There is a religious dimension to the conflict - but not to the extent of strictly anti-muslim warfare. I don't believe that myself.

Similarly, pointing fingers at Christianity is a bit useless since 'thou shalt not kill' is not law, just morals... Law can be immoral. So that's also intentional exaggaration.

actually in the strictist sense, it is law. Just because we're not a religious state doesnt mean you don't have religious laws too. but there are other references in the Bible text to be read on the matter.

Christianity is not exempt from extremist wackos any more than Muslim faith is. but Militant islam IS the minority. Islam doesn't hate white man, or zionist by large. that idea goes hand-in-hand with those people who really do think US is waging war on muslims. . .

So, this is exactly what happens when you get me into politics. I largely base my judgement on personal moral convictions, so you can disagree as much as you want.

thats fine, you should. . . .JUST GET SOME FACTS TOO. ;p ;p you sound like you'd be a fun conversationalist.

[the Black Monarch]

Basically, I trust Bush with nukes more than I trust Saddam with nukes for the following reasons:

Bush has proven that, if given the capacity to nuke the holy hell out of a country that he is at open war with, he will refrain from doing so, while Saddam has not proven such;

Saddam and his family killed their own citizenry in incredibly gruesome ways for fun, while Bush doesn't; and

Saddam and his family were bent on genocide and would use any means to achieve it, while Bush isn't.





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[Simpi]

Their deaths will at first probably initiate even more attacks by guerillas who are eager to avange their deaths. Later, it can cause one of the five factions to disperse, but there is still Saddam Hussein so probably not that much unless he is nailed.

Alternatively, common people are still mighty pissed off (as Sixstops poll showed) so if they see they don't have to fear that Saddam & his boys will return, they can concentrate on kicking US troops out without getting into same shit they suffered for decades.

[hitmanyr2k]

By that logic, humanity should have "warred" itself extinct now. I mean, we've had some major ass conflicts and conquering in the past 5000 years, often going on simultaneously.

Dumb statement. Every war is not on a level playing field. Usually one side has more advanced weapons or a bigger army than the other. If both sides at war have the same weaponry/army then there's a better chance of major losses. This current war is a prime example of that. Iraq doesn't have shit to war with.

What about WWII? There were numerous reasons to fight it (not just "AMERICA MUST SAVE THE WORLD!"), but can anyone argue with the end result?

Asia doesn't become enslaved by Japan, Europe doesn't fall under the jackboots of Nazi Germany, occupying Europe gives the western Allies a chance to stall another bloody regime (Stalin's Soviet Union), war manufacturing helped get the US out of the Great Depression, Britain's colonialism begins to end, and Japan and Germany become freer politically.

What caused World War II in the first place? Oh yeah, the repercussions of WWI You see a pattern here? War just breeds more hate and more war. And when a war takes more civilians lives than combatants like WWII did it's not a good thing. Also WWII basically set conditions for decades of The Cold war which you conveniently forgot. The U.S. and the Soviets were at the brink of nuclear war at one time. Can you imagine if Kennedy or Khrushchev had your stupid attitude? We would have "warred ourselves extinct" by now.

We even dropped two atomic bombs on Japan, and they don't super hate us still.

We dropped atomic bombs on Japan and you're more worried about if they still hate us rather than the civilians lives that were killed. I spent 8 years in Japan and every month huge crowds held a rally and walked around our military bases to protest Americans being there. Obviously some people over there still hold grudges.

Get over this total pacifism shit, people. Humans war. It's not always a good thing (like our current one), BUT it's not always a bad thing (WWII, Somalia).

Yeah, tell that to the next group that decides to pull another 9/11. I'm sure they justify their actions the same way you do. "Let's get over this pacifism shit and just go bomb the hell out of those stupid Americans, it's not always a bad thing".

[Farlo]

Thou shalt not kill my fucking ass!

lmfao....mine either