Are AMVs better than real music videos?

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Nightowl
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Post by Nightowl » Sun Jul 20, 2003 6:22 pm

Otohiko wrote:a) they cost less money - money that could be spent on things more important than music videos.

b) almost anyone can make them, making them a far more accessible and diverse (since more creators=more different ideas/approaches)
I only have two things to say...

a) You get what you pay for.

b) It's strange that this would be a good point, considering that almost everyone on this forum seems to complain about DBZ and Linkin Park videos.

I'm sure if you took the ratio of bad AMVs to good ones and compared it to the ratio of bad music videos to good ones, it would be pretty damned close.

As for no one giving a fuck about effort... well, I won't even comment.

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Post by jonmartensen » Sun Jul 20, 2003 9:40 pm

Nightowl wrote: As for no one giving a fuck about effort... well, I won't even comment.

-N
Hey!

The only way effort effects the determination of the quallity of a product, is in the actuall quallity of the product. I could put a lot of effort into making an AMV shitty. In fact, the more effort I wind up putting into it, the shittier it will be.

Your first post took this thread from a subjective area to a bunch of fuckin fruit (to be clichèd). Everyone was just saying how "yeah, there are a bunch of shitty MV's and some good one, just like there are a bunch shitty AMV's and some good ones"

I don't know, maybe that "just like" brought the proleteriats work to close to a subject that directly relates to you, but if you hadn't come in here all firestorming, everyone would still be listing which MV's they think are really good.








I agree with your points on the differences (which are obvious), though.
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Post by Dead_Pool » Mon Jul 21, 2003 7:36 am

I would really have to say I can't stand about 98 % of the shit MV out there. Ahh when I was younger like in 1993, after my first alblum came out I was going to do all my videos with anime, it was a dream of mine. But we had some internal problems, and well the band was addicted to drugs and my drummer died(in a pool) and we broke up. Some day I hope we can get together and do a comeback tour. And demand that they make all our videos into AMV and you guys can help and we can make alot of money, because we become in such high demand, take over the music video industry and put anime in its right place on top.


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Post by zalas » Mon Jul 21, 2003 12:49 pm

Nightowl wrote: The reason music videos cost so goddamned much to make, whether they suck or not, is that you have to pay for equipment, crew, stock, locations, insurance, rights, among about ten thousand other little things AMV creators don't give two shits about. You want to impress me? You want to be on par with an actual music video? Create your own cel-frame animation and cut it to music. Hell, create your own music. Actually make it look good.
There are Japanese MAD creators that do this to some extent. Granted, they are only doing it for fun and not getting paid for it and hence they wouldn't do ALL the things in that list. What a lot do is take still frames from video games and animate them, give motion and atmosphere to them, sometimes going for the pseudo-3d look. I know there's a fan made video of misuzu (from AIR) floating around on the internet because people mistook it to be leaked footage from a rumoured AIR anime production. I've seen some GREAT videos out there, and some rival the official videos that game companies produce.
Plus, I'm sure there's doujin circles that first draw their images, and then have another person in the circle animate them, etc.
And you know why most music videos are simply shots of the musician not cut to the beat? Because the song doesn't matter. This is a business, and they're selling the "artist," not the music. Don't even try to disagree with me, because you learn that's the way it is pretty quick when a music producer says it to your face.
Doing it for the sake of business isn't really an excuse for producing an artistically-challenged video. When I watch a video, I'm not gonna think "oh, they have to earn money, hence this video is better than that one over there." Rather, I'd think "it looks like they put 10 minutes of thought into the layout of this video."
I stand by my argument. No one here could direct a music video. You don't have the knowledge or experience. It's doubtful many of you will get it anytime soon, either.

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If you mean MV in the industry's sense of the word (with the whole money issue), then yeah, people here probably can't since they are doing this for _fun_, not profit. If you mean MV in the artistic sense, then I'm afraid you're mistaken...

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Post by Otohiko » Mon Jul 21, 2003 4:43 pm

Exactly. Thank you Zalas.

In a sense, we can easily agree to disagree with ya nightowl - we're looking at this from perspectives that are virtually polar opposites.

You look at it from the engineering/technical point of view. There, yes, what you get pretty directly correlates to what you pay for. Since music videos, even AMV's, are a pretty techy thing, I find this technical point of view to often be dominant in these circles.

However, I'm not a tech guy. Technology, to me, is an irritation - at best, a means to an end. To a technician, it's often a means for itself.

So, I'm looking at this from an artistic point of view, just like Zalas said.

In art, costs are irrelevant. Time, even effort - of but a secondary importance. The only true investment that must be present in art is pure intention, for which there is no true compensation and no incentive other than a strong artistic impulse. Money, time, or equipment will not do an artist without intention any good.

Technicians excel at technical aspect. And, as is the case in real MV's, they're paid for it. I'm not saying that pay inhibits intention. However, paid work is less likely to be that of art, because oftentimes the driving incentive is to make money and advance in one's profession.

As an artform, to me, the unpaid, meat-and-potatoes AMV's show much more hope. You can almost feel the raw creativity of works that are free from commercialism.

If money (or even time) spent were proportional to the greatness of the result, Pearl Harbor would undisputably be the greatest movie of all time.

In technical terms, the movie may be quite impressive. In artistic, it's somewhat lacking.

And it's like that with anything. If you go by this 'you get what you pay for' philosophy, you get into the zone of dinosaur-worship - where big, scary, expensive productions become the ultimate art. And that's simply not true. In fact, this is destructive to art. Art has far more hope when made smaller, more mobile and more intellegent. And that's what accessible forms like AMV provide.

You cannot buy intention. You cannot buy artistic impulse.
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Post by Dannywilson » Mon Jul 21, 2003 6:00 pm

jonmartensen wrote:
EarthCurrent wrote:Fatboy Slim's "Weapons of Choice"
Best video EVAR.
No amount of AMV editing can create a video greater than that. :up:
Is that the one where the consistantly blow shit up throughout the video??
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Post by Leanan » Mon Jul 21, 2003 6:05 pm

That's the one where that one actor guy dances around.

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Post by Otohiko » Mon Jul 21, 2003 6:35 pm

And then he starts flying around and stuff.

that's teh best. It reminds me of some dream I had. :lol:
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Post by Beowulf » Mon Jul 21, 2003 7:30 pm

Leanan wrote:That's the one where that one actor guy dances around.
That one actor guy?

Christopher Walken

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Post by Arctyc » Tue Jul 22, 2003 3:07 am

ithaqua wrote:...

Electric Six - Danger! High Voltage!
Catchy song, great video.

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Part of me wants to bust out laughing and agree, while another part of me wants to strangle you for that.

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