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Post by dwchang » Mon Jun 30, 2003 5:40 pm

EarthCurrent wrote:
dwchang wrote:Forgot to mention, that video above *does* have over 15 reviews, so I guess it *does* deserve to be there :-D
:roll: Suuuure it does....
OK, so after a lengthy download, I finally watched the video (yeah I endured the whole thing) and I must say...wow..that was ungood. Almost nothing was synced, use of multiple layers/opacity changes for no reason, random scene selection and so on.

Too bad it has like 17 reviews and thus...it deserves to be there :-D. Perhaps I'll review it someday, but probably not since my reviews take like 30 minutes for me to write and I already have a number above it in the queue...maybe a special exception? :-D
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Post by TaranT » Mon Jun 30, 2003 11:57 pm

EarthCurrent wrote:If a vid has 15+ reviews and is in the upper portion of the top 10 list, it probably deserves to be there....
Only 15 ?! I draw the line at 100 reviews. Cuts the list down to a manageable size. In fact, if one is looking for the best AMVs, the "most commented" list is a better place to start than the "top 10%".

BTW, if 100 sounds like too high a barrier, I'd respond that the "real" movie database, imdb.com, requires 1250 ratings in order to make their top-250 list. Of course, the population over there is larger than we have here, so I figure that 100 is a nice round number. Also, imdb.com ratings are numerical (easier to give), more like our star ratings where I'm looking for a minimum of 100 also - but only because it's a new system. I'd rather use a higher limit for stars (250?) after some more time has passed.

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Post by King_Cold » Tue Jul 01, 2003 3:12 am

Coming back to the rating system, the reason why I use 7 as an average is because I never saw a video that deserved a 1, just like it's rare that people get 10% at school. Almost every video is acceptable. The fact that you have a music just brings the video to 5 as you should enjoy the music enough to apreciate the content of the video. And it's almost imposible to get some scenes that will actually bore you so much that even the music could'nt save the video. So 1,2,3,4 ratings should be extremely rare cause just having something should bring you to enjoy the AMV (Till here it's personal OP).

Normally something below average should repulse you and something above average should attract you. And because AMV is entertainement it's difficult to make it repulse you. That's also why ratings from 1 to 4 are rarely used. And because of this, 5 should become the bottom of the rating for AMV which is entertaining even if it's bad. Thus making 7 the average since it is the middle ;and because you never wanna give a score to high, as you never know if something better could come up we choose 7 and not 8 as the average.

I believe the essence of rating is comparaison. If you've only watched one AMV and you rate this AMV it would get a very high note. Just like if 2 Neandertal where to watch one movie each. One of them a good movie and the other a very bad movie, they would both get a relatively high note. So normally the more AMV you've watched, the more accurate will be your ratings.

Because comparaison is the basis of rating, people will rate videos based on their favorite video. So if the favorite video they watched is actually not so good, then all their ratings will be higher then it should be. If their favorite video is excellent, then all their ratings should be lower but more accurate. Maybe they should be a reference to a great video so people can use it as a base.

So I think to make people accurately rate AMV we should choose specific AMVs as reference. One which would be the worst, so that any video which make you feel the same way as this one should be given a 2. Another one should be the average, so that every video which makes you feel the same as this one should be given a 5. And a final one wish should be great, so that every video which makes you feel like this one should be given a 9.
NOTE: The great video should be given a 9 and not a 10 just like the worst one should be given a 2 to keep the more options. What if something made you feel worst than the worst reference, give it a 1 and the same goes for the best AMV.

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Post by Xanthrax » Tue Jul 01, 2003 4:23 am

In all seriousness now, for reviews I use a base of 5 as average (and though if you checked my profile you'd see that my average scores are considerably over this, but this is largely due to the older system I used). I use 1-9 as equal divisions, and 10 as beyond exceptional.

The main aspect to this, however, is that 1-9 are equal divisions of number, not quality. This essentially means that in an idealised form of my system (i.e. if I actually went ahead and ranked/tabulated all of the AMVs I've ever made, not to mention reviewing them all) there would be an equal number (or near enough) in each of the scores 1-9.

I find that the problem with rating by quality is that the average shift will be way over 5 (as it is), due to most videos (or at least the vast majority of those with reviews) being considerably greater than the very worst: the point at which the boundary of 1 is based. The result of this is that it becomes harder to differentiate between average, good and great: the upper scores are just that much more bunched up.

Of course, I wouldn't claim that my own system is any better. It just allows for the opposite problem (well, not quite opposite, as that would imply a deliberate shift to less than 5 as average), and thus lets me give creators another point of comparison when I review.
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Post by Nappy » Tue Jul 01, 2003 1:35 pm

IMDB's 1-10 system even seems to have a average of 7 but the highest score is only 9.0 The only reason though is because ppl hand out 1's like candy. 1's are given more than 2, 3, 4, and 5 combined usually. Luckily most ppl here don't give ones just to lower ppl on the top list. Then theres also the fact that ppl pay money for movies, and spend hours watching them, so there's alot more bitter ppl when it comes to movies (not to mention the fact that the director can't track you down for giving 1's) 7 seems to be the average vote on imdb too, dam our school grading system.

AMV's are free (in most cases >_>) and usually short so hopefully ppl don't complain much when they see a bad one. Well unless they have 56k and have to wait forever for a bad one, then they might just be upset the wasted their time.

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Post by dwchang » Tue Jul 01, 2003 2:59 pm

Nappy wrote:IMDB's 1-10 system even seems to have a average of 7 but the highest score is only 9.0 The only reason though is because ppl hand out 1's like candy. 1's are given more than 2, 3, 4, and 5 combined usually. Luckily most ppl here don't give ones just to lower ppl on the top list. Then theres also the fact that ppl pay money for movies, and spend hours watching them, so there's alot more bitter ppl when it comes to movies (not to mention the fact that the director can't track you down for giving 1's) 7 seems to be the average vote on imdb too, dam our school grading system.

AMV's are free (in most cases >_>) and usually short so hopefully ppl don't complain much when they see a bad one. Well unless they have 56k and have to wait forever for a bad one, then they might just be upset the wasted their time.
Good point with the comparison with IMDB. That furthers the case of the school grading system being in our brains. And as Tarant mentioned, they have a very large population which furthers the point. So :-P
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