Experimentation vs. Satire (Dinosaurs vs. Turtles)

kmv · Post by **kmv** » Wed May 28, 2003 7:02 pm

As some are no doubt aware there was recently a "mould breaking" video released by BabysitterDinosaurLeontes (Wired Hypnosis). The video wasn't universally liked and it seemed to prompt a "piss take" of sorts by Kamoc (THISISTHERIGHTHOLE).

Both videos got a mixed response but Kamoc also took some flack because he was perceived to be ridiculing BabysitterDinosaurLeontes'.

In my opinion Kamoc's video is satire. It is a poke at what I think Kamoc felt to be pretension (although I have not discussed this with him), and a slap in the face to that which is well outside the norm.

Which brings me to my point: why can't we support both positions? If we can applaud but not necessary like originality in the first video, why can't we applaud but not necessary like satire in the second video?

It the reason self-righteousness or justice, hubris or support?

I am asking the question because even though it is rarely fun to be its object, satire is in my opinion a valid form of expression and one that is no less valid than anything else.

What do people think?

Lone Wolf · Post by **Lone Wolf** » Wed May 28, 2003 7:37 pm

It all depends on the type of satire.

Think about when Comedy Central hosts celebrity roasts. All the other people, one by one, poke fun of the roasted person in good fun and humor. Even though it makes fun of the roasted person, that person feels good. That is a good form of satire.

The opposite, obviously, is just pure mockery and out of hatred or jealousy.

fyrtenheimer · Post by **fyrtenheimer** » Wed May 28, 2003 7:50 pm

I don't think it has to be out of hatred or jealousy.

It's just funny.

Dannywilson · Post by **Dannywilson** » Wed May 28, 2003 8:57 pm

Honestly, you friggin people need to get lives. I thought there was some sort of deep meaning to each of these videos and the arguments following said videos. That was the point I realzed what everyone was arguing over: The interpretation of a digital medium in a niche community, of a niche genere, of a niche subculture, in a species that is actually one of the least numerous on the planet, On a planet that sits in the 3rd position from the sun, which in turn sits in the an arm of a galaxy, which is slowly spinning around a universal axis.

You are small in the grand scheme of things. Grow the hell up and quit taking yourselves so seriously. All of you. That includes you Dinosaurs, AD, Kusoyaro, and Kamoc.

I've said my peice. What you make of it is entirely up to you.

mexicanjunior · Post by **mexicanjunior** » Wed May 28, 2003 9:06 pm

Hmmm, I actually liked and kept Kamoc's vid. The Lain/Dinosaur thing felt like I was watching static while listening to a dog whistle at different pitches, it made my head hurt. Guess I just didn't get it. :*|

Tab. · Post by **Tab.** » Wed May 28, 2003 9:49 pm

if my speakers and/or ears sustain permanent damage from that lain vid I'm sueing

Zarxrax · Post by **Zarxrax** » Wed May 28, 2003 9:50 pm

Yes I'm with MJ, Stoics was actually pretty entertaining. The other was...painful...

SS5_Majin_Bebi · Post by **SS5_Majin_Bebi** » Wed May 28, 2003 9:54 pm

Dannywilson wrote: You are small in the grand scheme of things. Grow the hell up and quit taking yourselves so seriously. All of you. That includes you Dinosaurs, AD, Kusoyaro, and Kamoc.

My sentiments exactly. Especially this guy.

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Wed May 28, 2003 10:08 pm

I figure this will be more interesting if I just remain a spectator so I'm going to sit this one out...

FirestormXIII · Post by **FirestormXIII** » Wed May 28, 2003 10:32 pm

Oh boy, and here we go....