Well, I think we all know the reasoning for this ;) ....

Kamoc · Post by **Kamoc** » Mon May 19, 2003 3:59 pm

hello muppet with AIDS, i wonder how you got that bad disease! but be careful not to tell me the truth, as i would sue you for being blasphamous and prostituting yourself all over the chalkboard.

my sex ed teacher was also our lunch lady.

gadoo · Post by **gadoo** » Mon May 19, 2003 4:00 pm

now that's funny

Lone Wolf · Post by **Lone Wolf** » Mon May 19, 2003 4:36 pm

Link: http://maddox.xmission.com/muppet.html
That site is hilarious.

Also, I thought Japan was one of the best, ethically moral places in the world. What other "dirty" facts don't I know about Japan?

Story:
The Director of my school went to Japan once and she accidently left her purse on a railway car, I think. I'm not sure about all of the specifics, but later that day or the day after, she found her purse untouched on the same car, just as she had left it.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Mon May 19, 2003 6:42 pm

Lone Wolf wrote:Also, I thought Japan was one of the best, ethically moral places in the world. What other "dirty" facts don't I know about Japan?

Japan has high social ethics (such as the purse left on the train you mentioned), but their moral ethics can seem to leave something to be desired. From bukkake, which involves large groups of men taking turns ejaculating on a woman's face, to lolicon, which is essentially a pedophile genre, to an S & M and icky fetish porn industry (scat, watersports, vomit, things like that) that rivals and seems to surpass Europe's, to the train gropers known as chikan - all of these things are disturbingly up near the surface of Japanese society. Even regular hetero-porn (man and woman having sex) is somewhat disturbing compared to the Western variant, even if it isn't a rape video - it often seems to be more about coercion and convincing in Japanese porn than two people using a weak plot device to have sex, like in most Western porn. Most Japanese porn seems to have central themes of submission, domination, and humiliation - all to achieve a male orgasm...

As previously mentioned, Japanese is a heavily male-dominated society. Women are traditionally relegated to the home (where they can have some domestic autonomy), and submissiveness is pounded into girls' heads often (boys', too, but in a more social form). A lot of stuff that women can take for granted here in the West (domestic violence laws and protection, access to birth control such as the Pill, more self-determination, sexual harassment laws and whatnot - not perfect, I know, but there) is not available or was only recently introduced for women in Japan - and are not that vigorously enforced.

To conclude this long-winded post, Japanese men seem to get away with a lot more bad treatment against Japanese women than seems right. Japanese women have a double whammy of both societal and gender disapproval to overcome if they wish to stand equal with men in Japanese society.

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Mon May 19, 2003 6:57 pm

While I've been in college I've had the opportunity to meet a lot of students from Japan. While most of the guys tend to have plans to return to Japan to get a job, etc., few of the girls are so interested. Most of them seem more interested in staying in the U.S. or at least finding a job abroad. Truly, once they get out of Japan's malecentric society and realize that there are places where sexism isn't so blatent a thing, and they can more easily advance their careers despite their sex, why would they want to go back?

NME · Post by **NME** » Mon May 19, 2003 7:09 pm

The pill was just approved for useage in the late 1990's,
Viagra was approved within 2 months of acceptance for testing.

Male-centric society, what else is new?

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Mon May 19, 2003 8:53 pm

Interestingly enough, abortion has been legal over there for decades, while the Pill wasn't. Abortion rates in Japan are some of the highest in the world, last time I checked.

I suspect this is partly because of the desire for even more male sexual control. If a man doesn't want to wear a condom because it's a hassle or doesn't feel as good, then that's his right, or so the idea probably goes. On the other hand, if a woman wants her own contraception, she must be a run-around or a sex worker - both of which are common the world over, of course, but are also somewhat common in Japan. Thus, she must be one of the women contributing to a moral decline of society - hence, ban or block the Pill, and you end this supposed moral corruption.