If the "eyes" went away...

[Mroni]

Actually... I'm one of the few people who liked Pocahontas (though it is near the bottom of my list of Disney animations I liked).

Yeah, let's rewrite history and present to our children nice happy environmentally friendly indians who didn't exploit nature!

Everybody sing...

I agree with you - Pocahontas does for American History what Disney's Hercules did for Greek Mythology...

still... Pocahontas was aimed for kids... and movies like BRAVEHEART (which won and Oscar for best picture) was aimed at adults and it is a historical fiasco as well... I'm angrier at movies aimed at adults that take HUGE leaps of fact then children's movies that do so. Obviously, any historically based film is going to be modified for entertainment sake...
but a small change in Historical fact can be tolerated, but a GIANT disgrace (like suggesting William Wallace impregented the princess of England, when in fact the real princess was only 9 when the events of Braveheart took place) are just infuriating.
(and again... I will forgive the historical inaccuracies in a movie like Poccahontas... as huge as they are... because this film should never be viewed as "educational material" and parents who are concened about the truth can explain the situation to the kids... but I don't want to go on further with this or I'll be writing all night).

It's not Disney's job to teach history. Disney had made the decision (like it or not) to try to get the idea that hatred of other cultures is a bad idea... they just should have left it at that and not connected it to the names of real people... still... they did...
Since I know it's a Disney movie, I know to put aside the truth just so I can enjoy the film. (Just wondering... are you equally annoyed with books that are changed by Disney?)

Well... I have to stop here...

-Uncle Milo

I know what you're trying to say Milo, but I 100% agree with Earthcurrent. It really irks me how Disney changes history and classical literature. Given most of these stories wouldn't be proper for children if they kept them true, but it still irks me. I basically fear the day when children who saw Disney movies think they are the real version.

For example, the Hunchback of Notre Dame is an excellent book and has many tragic (and classic) moments. Disney's version has NONE of this and a child could easily grow up thinking this classical literature was like Disneys when in fact the female is burned at the stake and the hunchback is killed (it's actually quite good). Same goes for historical interpretations.

Again, I do see your point and it's not THAT big of a deal, but I can't deny that it irks me and it'll irk me further when children become ignorant and take Disney's version as fact over the real.

This would be a perfect example the girl in Hunchback is stupid and easily exploited in the book just like in les mis and that is integral to the plot. But in hollywoods and disneys eyes she has to be like Joan of arc or something.


Mr Oni

[Propyro]

I know what you're trying to say Milo, but I 100% agree with Earthcurrent. It really irks me how Disney changes history and classical literature. Given most of these stories wouldn't be proper for children if they kept them true, but it still irks me. I basically fear the day when children who saw Disney movies think they are the real version.

For example, the Hunchback of Notre Dame is an excellent book and has many tragic (and classic) moments. Disney's version has NONE of this and a child could easily grow up thinking this classical literature was like Disneys when in fact the female is burned at the stake and the hunchback is killed (it's actually quite good). Same goes for historical interpretations.

Again, I do see your point and it's not THAT big of a deal, but I can't deny that it irks me and it'll irk me further when children become ignorant and take Disney's version as fact over the real.

really? In the version that i had read of the Hunchback the gypsy woman was hung, and Quasimodo went to the cemetary and died of greif embracing her corpse. Then they said that they tried seperating the skeletons when they found out that the gypsy was innocent in the furure, but both skeletons fell apart when they tried. Well then again the version i had read was most likely severly condensed (i don't think it had more then 200 pages) and was aimed at early to mid teens.

[Anlushac11]

I have to respond to this. Not only was Tezuka inspired by Disney he went out of his way to parody him just pick up a copy of metropolis. In it he gives credit to disney and has killer mickey mouse rats. I would say that most of the best cel animation ever done was by Disney from the 30s to the 60s. Now on to more recent stuff. The sickest thing about disney is it is just like Hollywood in that it has to make the most politically correct films it can. Lets face it Pocohantas was udder crap and the creators of it deserve to be shot talk about fucking up history. Every Disney film now has a strong female character and a guy she makes look like a moron. The bad guys are always white and male. Disney has went out of its way to make every film target an ethnic group no matter how crappy the film is. I hate modern Disney! When they get they're heads out of they're collective asses and start focusing back on the animation like they did in days of yore I will be happy. The only stuff I have liked from disney since 1989 are The pixar films and Lilo and stitch (Although the animation blew). I also hate how Disney advertises every crappy movie they make as "Animated classic" which shows how thier thinking works. Fuck Disney there is way better american animation out there( better in fact than most anime which is the fucking french word for animation not Japanese). This rant has been brought to you by


Mr Oni

I pretty much agree with you. I have Mulan and Tarzan and Lilo and Stitch Is the only one i have bothered to watch. I tried to watch Tarzan and Mulan but just couldnt get into them.

Disney seems to ahve fallen for the Corporate Hollywood. They dont seem to make animation for the sake of animation. It seems to be about marketshare and income. I understand they are a business and the point is to make money but they seems to have lost their way. They forgot why Walt made animation in the first place.

IMHO.

[dwchang]

You'd think they'd have been a bit more elusive about it like not change one letter in his name (K -> S) and have him not be white.

I think I heard simba is swahili for lion. If that is the case then perhaps they were so confident of themselves they didn't care if anyone knew? I actually remember Matthew Broderick (the voice of Simba) thought he was reading for a remake.

They could at least have said they were sorry but I guess that would be admitting they'd stolen some of the idea.

Anyone else remember the Atlantis rip-off debates? That one is less clear cut.

I don't hate disney or cartoons at all...the very first animated music videos I ever saw were on D-TV

Yeah I wouldn't be as angry if they said like "Inspired by" or "Based on" or something.

As for the Atlantis debates and Nadia, I've heard them, but I can't say anything since I haven't seen Atlantis. I have heard it's not as concrete though.

Didn't know that about Loin King, Interesting.

Yeah it really gets ya mad don't it...like the fact they just damn right stole. I *hate* when people say it's all original and use it as one of Disney's GREAT movies..it is good, but well..not theirs.

[dwchang]

I have to respond to this. Not only was Tezuka inspired by Disney he went out of his way to parody him just pick up a copy of metropolis. In it he gives credit to disney and has killer mickey mouse rats. I would say that most of the best cel animation ever done was by Disney from the 30s to the 60s. Now on to more recent stuff. The sickest thing about disney is it is just like Hollywood in that it has to make the most politically correct films it can. Lets face it Pocohantas was udder crap and the creators of it deserve to be shot talk about fucking up history. Every Disney film now has a strong female character and a guy she makes look like a moron. The bad guys are always white and male. Disney has went out of its way to make every film target an ethnic group no matter how crappy the film is. I hate modern Disney! When they get they're heads out of they're collective asses and start focusing back on the animation like they did in days of yore I will be happy. The only stuff I have liked from disney since 1989 are The pixar films and Lilo and stitch (Although the animation blew). I also hate how Disney advertises every crappy movie they make as "Animated classic" which shows how thier thinking works. Fuck Disney there is way better american animation out there( better in fact than most anime which is the fucking french word for animation not Japanese). This rant has been brought to you by


Mr Oni

I agree. Also agree with your statements about the 30's. If you want Disney's best works look at Pinnochio (sp?) and Snow White. 1939 animation that looked that good? They legimately animated that by hand an all too..truly amazing.

really? In the version that i had read of the Hunchback the gypsy woman was hung

You're right, you're right..she got hung not burned. Sorry..was just stating how inaccurate it was. You must realize I read it over 10 years ago. Sorry for the mis-information.

[Lyrs]

So i make an almost pointless statement and tada! There's a three page thread. wow..i should do this more often.

/end

[Propyro]

really? In the version that i had read of the Hunchback the gypsy woman was hung

You're right, you're right..she got hung not burned. Sorry..was just stating how inaccurate it was. You must realize I read it over 10 years ago. Sorry for the mis-information.

meh, it's been about ... 7 or 8 years since i read it as well ... so i'm quite foggy on what happesn in the book as well though i've never read original, i probalby should.

[Veldrin]

really? In the version that i had read of the Hunchback the gypsy woman was hung

You're right, you're right..she got hung not burned. Sorry..was just stating how inaccurate it was. You must realize I read it over 10 years ago. Sorry for the mis-information.

meh, it's been about ... 7 or 8 years since i read it as well ... so i'm quite foggy on what happesn in the book as well though i've never read original, i probalby should.

WTF! LEAVE ALREADY! ..... just kidding.

[Propyro]

WTF! LEAVE ALREADY! ..... just kidding.

lmao, i have untill saturday ... any ways .. c you guys for now