best rock(metal, punk, whaterver) instrumentals

Farlo · Post by **Farlo** » Tue May 06, 2003 3:43 pm

all the minibosses songs

Rozard · Post by **Rozard** » Tue May 06, 2003 4:48 pm

Otohiko wrote:Computers are much better suited to writing complicated music than people, and we don't like computers.

I don't agree with this statement at all. First of all, the computer has to be programmed by a human to create the music. Secondly, computers don't have the spontaneousness, the inginuity, the creativeness that humans have.

Also, I disagree with almost everything else you've said. It's fine for the music you like, but it's just your opinion, which I respect. I just think it's very close-minded

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Tue May 06, 2003 5:32 pm

Um...

Well, opinions are opinions.

I.

When I say complicated, I don't mean good music. And yes, they would have to be programmed. You would need to program the equations and algorhythms neccesary to generate proper, literate music from randomized values. For instance, I have personally witnessed a musician write a fugue based on a given melodic theme, and explain to me how this was primarily a logical, mathematical process.

A computer is much better suited to writing complicated music. For instance, take the 11/32 rhythm you mentioned - as people, we are naturally adjusted to 4/4, it's programed into us on a biological level. So, something with an outlandish signature like that is really a struggle for us to properly understand and accept - thus making it a bit difficult to create. But it's a very mathematical thing, and computers are good at that. Plus, they have no rhythms or any musical knowledge programmed into them, and have no obstacles in carrying out the calculations.

But will a computer ever write a great fugue? No. Because it doesn't have a natural feel for music, an emotional association to it that we as humans do.

You yourself suggested that complex does not equal great. So, I don't believe there's any contradiction or misjudgement on my part.

II.

I consider myself to be the most open-minded person I know. Heck, I even enjoyed Linkin Ball Z videos for a time - despite my dislike of both - until they got repetitive. Music is an extremely sensitive area for me - so I listen to it with a most open mind. Anything that is well-done with a good intention and proper placement gets a nod from me. For one, you won't hear me bitching about J-Pop in anime.

III.

Regarding my opinion. I don't mean to purposely convert everyone to my evil music agenda, but do not think that I come unprepared into a discussion. Firstly, I come from a family background which includes a professional musician of 25 years.

Secondly, note some passages written in italics throughout my statements. These are not mine. These are paraphrases of quotes by a very forward, influential musician of our time who has written much about the philosophy of music, and has been in the frontline for the past 40 years. Thus, these opinions are not too narrow-minded or ill-supported.

IV.

Oh God! Geirr is right where I'm coming from. Good to hear

I also have a thing against songs. I think of them as an easy way out.

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Again, remember, don't hate me

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Tue May 06, 2003 6:27 pm

Uh... please tell me I didn't just scare the fuck out of everyone on this part of the forum?

Please keep the discussion going. I enjoy it.

One good instrumental player whom I find near-uniformly exciting is Joe Satriani. I hope you've heard of him, at least. And he's not at all metrically-awkward or unnatural-sounding. Quite the opposite, I think.

madmallard · Post by **madmallard** » Tue May 06, 2003 6:50 pm

neal pert

Org Profile · Post by **Otohiko** » Tue May 06, 2003 6:56 pm

Actually, since we're talking instrumentals here... here's something a bit rock and a bit not -

I'm still looking for a good recording of Paganini's "Caprices" played on electric guitar. There used to be a guy who could play them, but he was one of those unknown, unrecorded artists... I know there's others.

It's an amazing guitar ride. Beats the violin any time of day

Geirr · Post by **Geirr** » Tue May 06, 2003 7:15 pm

Otohiko wrote: ... right where I'm coming from. Good to hear
I also have a thing against songs.
I think of them as an easy way out. ---

For me, my preference for instrumentals over lyrics comes from the following: Lyrics impress one specific setting or emotional meaning to the music as it streams by in your mind. That's it; you're stuck. This is what the song is 'about.' Imagine visiting the Grand Canyon, and having this sign floating in front of your face saying: "Thank you for visiting. This is tha Grand Canyon, and it's 'about' erosion."

You can imagine a wider variety of scenes to go with the music when no lyrics are present. Thus instrumental music is more capable of working with you over a wider variety of moods. Great (IMHO) pieces allow a range of attention levels - if you're listening while driving and traffic gets too intense for critical listening, you can pull back your attention and the music will serve you at the lower, more mundane level, BUT ALSO, if you start counting out beats and checking into syncopation, back-up instruments, secondary melodies, etc, 'great' (IMHO) music can reward your attention there as well. Same goes for virtuoso musicians, who can have you imagining and admiring their expert technique, in addition to the tone-poems they are creating for you.

I'd guess that making AMV's to instrumentals is probably more difficult, because so many individuals will react -SO- differently to the same measures.

Re: ODD METER:
- Some fiddle tunes of Brittany are dance steps in wierd odd numbers like 9, 11, 13, or even 17.
- Basil Poledouris' musical score 'Wheel of Pain' from the movie 'Conan the Barbarian' has this slllooww dirge in 4/4, and then, just to sttrrrreeeetch the agony, he slips into a syncopated 5/4. I had often wondered if I could make an AMV about series that take TOO MANY EP's to make a friggn' POINT ... Example: (1) NINETY-SEVEN EPS and has the main couple KISSED yet, or are we still in FEATHERS mode?!? (2) HOW many ep's does it take to drive down a mountain road...?

-Geirr

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Tue May 06, 2003 11:52 pm

Otohiko wrote:One good instrumental player whom I find near-uniformly exciting is Joe Satriani. I hope you've heard of him, at least.

Eh... I didn't mention him yet in this thread. I'm getting slow. Ah well, yeah I love Satriani. Him, Steve Vai, and Eric Johnson are three of my favorite instrumental guitarists. And Yngwie Malmsteem if you've heard of him.

Farlo · Post by **Farlo** » Wed May 07, 2003 12:16 am

dream theatre also have a few instrumentals if i remember correctly

Tom the Fish · Post by **Tom the Fish** » Wed May 07, 2003 8:03 am

Otohiko wrote:Uh... please tell me I didn't just scare the fuck out of everyone on this part of the forum?

Please keep the discussion going. I enjoy it.

Heh, naw. If anything you brought up some points that made it more interesting imo.

As for Geirr's comment about preferng instrumentals, I'm in the same camp. One of my favorite bands, the Legendary Pink Dots, makes fantastic music, reminding me of the 70s space-rock out of Germany. But the lyric writer can be as pretentious as all hell, driving the band into the goth category. I don't hate every song which he sings, on the contrary, I like just about every song, it's just when they hit the space-rock jam groove I wish he'd shut up and let the music do the work.

Does this make any sense?

Tom