Which animes have been dubbed well?

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 12:09 pm

shocker wrote:From what I can remember, the Outlaw Star dub was pretty good and even though I have only seen bits and pieces of it, Gundam Wing had a good dub. Does anyone agree or am I just spewing out crap?

Haven't seen much of either, but the Gundam Wing dub...I think SOME of the voices were good, but at the same time they had some of the WORST dubs I've ever heard. General Ceptum...or someone comes to mind. I swear to God he sounded like an older Donald Duck. It was freaking HILARIOUS.

Rozard · Post by **Rozard** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 1:01 pm

Yeah, the Outlaw Star dub was good. So was the dub for Castle Of Cagliostro IMO.

TheRealNeoHentaiMaster · Post by **TheRealNeoHentaiMaster** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 1:09 pm

Seriously, why does everyone give a shit about what the creators want? Fuck the creators. If they didnt want their creation be to changed then they should have protected their work so it couldnt. All I care about is wiether or not its interesting and/or entertaining. Now, although its true that most of the time a bad dub will infact make it not interesting or entertaining, im really not concerned with the creators opinions or needs, im concerned with MY OPINIONS, because its entertainment for ME, not this creator guy. OH NO!!! ASUKA DOESNT HAVE NEARLY TEH EMOTIONAL RANGE SHE DID IN THE JAPANESE VERSION BOO HOO!! So fucking what, even with her extra emotion or whatever, she was still annoying has fuck and I wish it was her who got shot through the face and died in EoE instead of...well...everyone else... Or on the opposite end, apparently everyone has this problem with Vash's voice cause its not like the original, well fuck them cause I like the english voice and it entertains me and I could give two shits about this other guy speaking a language I couldnt understand. You people need to start thinking for yourselves and stop just going along with everything this CREATOR guy likes.

leathelanime · Post by **leathelanime** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 1:13 pm

I cant believe I missed this topic being that I am a huge dub fan but here goes

(not in any type of best to worst order)

1-Bebop
2-Trigun
3-Outlaw Star
4-Lain
5-Boogiepop Phantom
6-Every thing with the slayers name
7-Magic Users Club Series and Ova
8-Kenshin
9-Excel Saga
10-Wild Arms
11-Soul Taker
12-Arc The Lad
13-Orphen
14-Oh My Godess Series and Movie
15-Blood
16-Chobits
17-Noir
18- Hack//Sign
19-Real Bout Highschool
20-Hand Maid May
21-Princess Mononoke
22-Bubblegum Crisis
23-Jungle De Ikou
24-Spriggan
25-Nanako
26-Gasarki
27-Shamanic Princess
28-Gun Smith Cats
29-Generator Gawl
30-Jubei Chan
31- Escaflowne

More.more.More!

Ok im done you can call me wrong if you want but the point being is that these are my ears that I use to hear what I like and I like what I hear and see

UncleMilo · Post by **UncleMilo** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 1:29 pm

TheRealNeoHentaiMaster wrote:Seriously, why does everyone give a shit about what the creators want? Fuck the creators. If they didnt want their creation be to changed then they should have protected their work so it couldnt. All I care about is wiether or not its interesting and/or entertaining. Now, although its true that most of the time a bad dub will infact make it not interesting or entertaining, im really not concerned with the creators opinions or needs, im concerned with MY OPINIONS, because its entertainment for ME, not this creator guy. OH NO!!! ASUKA DOESNT HAVE NEARLY TEH EMOTIONAL RANGE SHE DID IN THE JAPANESE VERSION BOO HOO!! So fucking what, even with her extra emotion or whatever, she was still annoying has fuck and I wish it was her who got shot through the face and died in EoE instead of...well...everyone else... Or on the opposite end, apparently everyone has this problem with Vash's voice cause its not like the original, well fuck them cause I like the english voice and it entertains me and I could give two shits about this other guy speaking a language I couldnt understand. You people need to start thinking for yourselves and stop just going along with everything this CREATOR guy likes.

So your point is that everything revolves around you.

*Cough*

Your simpleminded post is that all that matters is YOUR view on how it sounds is the only view that matters and f--- everyone else who has a different view (including the creators of the show)

First off, this view is infantile, because obviously another person with your type of viewpoint will say "who cares what you think, because only MY opinion matters)

I could go on and on about the fact that stories aren't just about the lines, but about the actors and how those lines are said.

I mean... let's take THE MATRIX. The Matrix is a popular movie...

let's say we replaced Keanu Reaves with Arnold Schwarzenegger, replaced Carrie-Anne Moss with Winona Ryder and replaced Laurnece Fishburne with Eddie Griffin. Not ONE LINE of dialouge is changed and not one scene directed differently...

I'm sure it would be the exact same movie...

*cough*

The creators of movies/tv series SELDOM have any defense of their products.

Just ask Dan O'Bannon, who created a major money making American film and the sequel to his film made even MORE money... so the studios took the whole thing away from Dan and made two stinkin' bombs to follow up the success of the first two films. He was helpless.

Lastly... it's people with your kind of attitude that tells the American dubbing companies that there's no reason to put any effort into improving the quality of dubs because dumbshit anime fans will buy ANYTHING so long as it is animated in Japan.

-Uncle Milo

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 2:00 pm

CaTaClYsM wrote:I can see it coming.

it is here.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 2:56 pm

TheRealNeoHentaiMaster wrote:Seriously, why does everyone give a shit about what the creators want? Fuck the creators. If they didnt want their creation be to changed then they should have protected their work so it couldnt. All I care about is wiether or not its interesting and/or entertaining....You people need to start thinking for yourselves and stop just going along with everything this CREATOR guy likes.

I know UncleMilo made a pretty nice and thorough retort, but I'd like to add a few things as well (as well as...unfortunately...repeat).

First off...you need to read before you post (your nonsense):

dwchang wrote:Well...as I've said in many a thread, you're free to like whatever you like. I just hate it when people talk about dubs like they're part of or great than the original creator's intended voices or whatever...like saying it's "better." I mean you can like it more, but by definition a dub is...well...dubbing over the original voices...you lose things. Again, you can prefer enough, but I hate hearing people talk about dubs like they know what the creator wanted.

Secondly, as I have said a number of times (and I know half of you are shaking your heads, I apologize for that..skip this post entirely). F.ck the creators?! That is the most ignorant statement I have EVER heard on the forums (hmm...maybe not as stupid as the guy who says we should steal from different stores every week.).

Let's see, how many reasons this is stupid. You choose to watch their show. They decided to create something (just as we as editors choose to create AMVs which we "see" in our heads) and it was your choice to want to see it. They didn't force this on you. You should be grateful that they are even sharing anything with you. At the same time, you aren't forced to enjoy it. As I said...you don't have to LIKE the voices they chose and can go watch the dub.

By the same token, you need to realize that you are not seeing their true, original and unchanged vision. That is all I have been trying to say these..what...3 months? You can like dubs all you want, but you need to at least admit that you aren't getting the "entire" picture. There's nothing wrong with you NOT wanting to hear what they wanted...I just hate it when ignorant people like you seem to think you know better than the creator who MADE THE DAMN SHOW.

They thought it up and the least you can do is admit that it is THEIR work and THEIR vision. It's not yours..you have NO right to say one is the "right" way over the other. Enjoy what you want...it's a free country, just don't go around flaunting around that one is superior when dubs by their very definition are not edited/changed around. These are the fundamental flaws of dubs...hell look at the word...DUB! DUBBED! As in, not the original.

Now as for my own little rants on dubs, I know for a fact that voice directors and even their actors modify the script for the sole intention of matching mouth movements. I've even heard actors flaunt that they changed the translation b/c they didn't think the character should say that. Yeah b/c they came-up with the character...bah!

At the same time, it's quite obvious you can't match the EXACT voice. If the creator has nothing to do with the dub, by definition it is NOT his work anymore and just a resemblance (hopefully fairly close to it). I might also add that the US voice directors generally don't give a shit about anime and same with the voice actors. I know this sounds derogatory to the states, but...well...the Japanese have more talented actors b/c well...they PAY a lot more. They get more respect. We obviously have better Hollywood actors, for the same reason.

As Uncle Milo has used in his example, let me use another that seems to work pretty well in conveying my dislike of dubs:

Let's say the Japanese got Star Wars overseas and decided to dub it. They felt that Darth Vader was too low and evil and decided to pick a higher-pitched and less masculine voice. They also edit lines around because they don't believe in father/son hatreds and whatnot. Now you tell me if this dubbed Star Wars is the same as the "real" thing? Now again, the Japanese are free to enjoy this all they want, but there is a RIGHT and WRONG here.

They obviously changed the character and also the story. Say all you want that this is an exaggeration, but most dubbed anime voices (to me) are totally wrong just like this exaggeration. Even if they're CLOSE, they're still not the same and can't convey the exact same emotions that the original voices do. It's impossible. I surely hope this illustrates my point about originally intended vision vs. the changes in dubs and whatnot. If not..well...you're hopeless.

UncleMilo wrote: So your point is that everything revolves around you.

*Cough*

Your simpleminded post is that all that matters is YOUR view on how it sounds is the only view that matters and f--- everyone else who has a different view (including the creators of the show)

First off, this view is infantile, because obviously another person with your type of viewpoint will say "who cares what you think, because only MY opinion matters)

I couldn't agree more. I HATE this type of worldview. To think that everything is for you is ridiculous. To make it worse...this is art. Art made by someone else. We aren't forced to like it or in this case hear it in a certain language. At the same time, we can't say "F" their vision or whatever. We should be grateful that they are even sharing something that we chose to watch.

In conclusion, (AGAIN) you're free to watch and listen to what you want. All I am trying to do is defend the point of original intention. I am what you call a purist and I like seeing things as close to what the creator wanted. I'd like to think this is a respect thing since I wanna know what they were thinking/seeing/hearing, etc. I CHOSE to watch the show, this is the least I can do. Your views are very ignorant and I also suggest making logical and non-flamatory replies. People will then at least read your posts and take you seriously..just a word of advice though.

Again I apologize for this lengthy (and often said) point, but well...I didn't bring it up and I feel the necessity to defend it since a statement this ignorant and disrespectful (to the creators) needs to be retorted. I hope you guys understand.

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 2:57 pm

CaTaClYsM wrote:
CaTaClYsM wrote:I can see it coming.
it is here.

Gomen. I apologized and explained why I feel the necessity to reply in my post....

dwchang · Post by **dwchang** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 3:00 pm

TheRealNeoHentaiMaster wrote:You people need to start thinking for yourselves and stop just going along with everything this CREATOR guy likes.

Forgot one thing...think for ourselves? The fact we respect someone else's vision has nothing to do with thinking for oneself. This point is quite pointless and has no relation to the argument. With this instance...I see nothing wrong with trying to see/hear what the creator wanted the viewer to. Its just like our AMVs, we have an original intent and we'd like it if people saw it. How would you feel if someone took one your AMVs, modified it and then said it was your own. It's obvious things have changed and it's not what you intended. This has nothing to do with "thinking for yourself."

TheRealNeoHentaiMaster · Post by **TheRealNeoHentaiMaster** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 3:17 pm

OK, this time ill make my point a bit more clear without all the pointless cursing and stuff. You can see has deeply into these animes has you want. But in the end, their whole point is to entertain you. Thats what anime is. Entertainment. Now, I never said the whole WORLD revolves me, but entertainment does. It doesnt matter what someone else thinks something is entertaining(like the creator for instance) its if you YOU think it is. When you watch something, its so YOU can be entertained and enjoy it. I just see a lot of people around here simply refusing to like something based solely on the fact in their mind, some other guy wouldnt have liked it.
Also, I never defended bad dubbing either. I even said, most of the time bad dubs will make the show less entertaining...and in some of the worse cases...actually hard to watch. I hate bad voice acting just has much has the next guy. Theres no excuse for that. I just dont see why poeple care so much about it being just like the original. They could completely change a character from the orginal and I woound care, has long has 1. he was still interesting and enjoyable to watch 2. the person doing the voice could act well, and 3. everything still managed to make sense. Now im not trying to say you should only watch dubs and not care about the orginal version and never give it a chance. I could care less which version you like, but you should give both a chance while not trying to so sharply compare the two for being identical. I just find it dumb that some people are choosing what they like solely on the fact its not exactly like something else, or how someone else would have wanted it to be. Different doesnt mean bad. Its just something different. It can still be good or bad. Some series I only watch dubbed, and some I only watched subbed, because I enjoy the respective versions. I dont watch it because some guy I dont know thinks one is better.