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Post by EarthCurrent » Wed Apr 23, 2003 7:34 pm

SSJVegita0609 wrote: Anyways, EC, what are your feelings on the Yang-see (sp?) dam project in China?
Dams are a symbol of modernity. America has it's Hoover/Boulder Dam, Egypt has its Aswan High Dam, etc. The Chinese want their dam to symbolize China's movement into the modern age, and the bigger the better. Of course, China is not alone in wanting to build a dam for the purpose of modernization. Belize for example is pushing forward with the Chalillo Dam, despite massive court battles over predicted environmental damage.

While, I do not question the Chinese and their ability to engineer a dam, however I do question the soundness of the plan in its relation to the Three Gorges of the Yang-tze.

A dam's life expectancy is most directly linked to sediment buildup in the reservoir. As the resevoir fills up with sediment, than the dam's functionality is reduced. Now, the Yang-Tze is one of the world's most sediment heavy rivers. Indeed, some years it releases the highest sediment loads of any river. However, the dam blocks back these sediments which accumulate behind the dam. I've seen various projections related to the actual life span of the dam in relation to sediment accumulation and most seem to float around 50 years. This is, of course, if the Chinese do not dredge sediments in order to prolong the life of the dam. Dredging however, is relatively inefficent and expensive, and if the dam were expected to be self-sufficent would have to be factored into the cost of the generated electricity, raising costs, and making it rather pricy for the average chinese farmer to purchase. Additionally, there will be costs of laying out the infrastructure for the transmition of the power from the relativel remote dam site, etc, all of which will further add to the cost. From an investor's stand point, the Dam hardly seems like something to risk sinking money into. Thus the government will have to supplement costs, make up for budgetary shortfalls, and so on.

From an economic standpoint the Dam is going to be a money pit for the Chinese government, but considering the pride of the communist party, it seems unlikely they will back down and admit to any foibles in the budgeting of the project. Indeed, one of the main criticisms directed toward the Dam project from foriegn investors is the fact that the Chinese government hasn't been overly forethcoming with all the details related to dam operations.

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Post by SSJVegita0609 » Thu Apr 24, 2003 12:43 pm

Very interesting, but isn't a large portion of the poject funded by the world bank? I could be wrong on this though.
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Post by CaTaClYsM » Thu Apr 24, 2003 2:59 pm

KAHN!
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab

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Post by EarthCurrent » Thu Apr 24, 2003 4:37 pm

SSJVegita0609 wrote:Very interesting, but isn't a large portion of the project funded by the world bank? I could be wrong on this though.
The leading finacier of the project is China's State Development Bank.
World Bank, mainly due to pressure from the U.S. (The U.S. Bureau of Reclamation had a major falling out with the Chinese Government over the dam), has regularly questioned the need for the dam, and has directed most of its moneys into support facilities for the dam such as waste water treatment plants, etc.

If you want a break down of who is finacing what in regards to the Dam, here is a handy website:

http://www.nextcity.com/probeinternatio ... ho.html#wb

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Post by SSJVegita0609 » Thu Apr 24, 2003 4:42 pm

Sexy, I need to give that site to my Enviro teacher.
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Post by EarthCurrent » Thu Apr 24, 2003 6:53 pm

SSJVegita0609 wrote:Sexy, I need to give that site to my Enviro teacher.
Were you recently covering the Three Gorges Dam Project in class?

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Post by SSJVegita0609 » Fri Apr 25, 2003 7:49 am

earthcurrent wrote:
SSJVegita0609 wrote:Sexy, I need to give that site to my Enviro teacher.
Were you recently covering the Three Gorges Dam Project in class?
In a sense, we were covering the importance of indiginous populations and the subject was brought up. We also watched an ovely flashy video on it.
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Post by EarthCurrent » Fri Apr 25, 2003 10:58 am

SSJVegita0609 wrote:
earthcurrent wrote:
SSJVegita0609 wrote:Sexy, I need to give that site to my Enviro teacher.
Were you recently covering the Three Gorges Dam Project in class?
In a sense, we were covering the importance of indiginous populations and the subject was brought up. We also watched an ovely flashy video on it.
I'm betting I know the video you are talking about. Did it focus more on the engineering "marvel" that the dam is, showing big dump trucks and cranes, and the workers praising the government's plans? And while it was doing that, shed little light on the significant cultural and environmental impacts?

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Post by SSJVegita0609 » Fri Apr 25, 2003 3:15 pm

earthcurrent wrote:
SSJVegita0609 wrote:
earthcurrent wrote:
SSJVegita0609 wrote:Sexy, I need to give that site to my Enviro teacher.
Were you recently covering the Three Gorges Dam Project in class?
In a sense, we were covering the importance of indiginous populations and the subject was brought up. We also watched an ovely flashy video on it.
I'm betting I know the video you are talking about. Did it focus more on the engineering "marvel" that the dam is, showing big dump trucks and cranes, and the workers praising the government's plans? And while it was doing that, shed little light on the significant cultural and environmental impacts?
For the most part, it also had a flashy CGI dragon at the title screen.
The best effects are the ones you don't notice.

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