Free Will and Anarchy

KhayotiK · Post by **KhayotiK** » Thu Apr 17, 2003 12:53 am

The_Mad_Hatter wrote:
KhayotiK wrote:
kthulhu wrote:Anarchists are just the same left and right wing totalitarian control freaks in a different sheepskin. They'll make sure they have their warm house, their regular food, and their regular security, all the while condemning anyone else who wants these as "wrong". About the only use anarchy has is as a sort-of tool for governmental reconstruction - and there are better ways to do that, from voting to organized armed rebellion.

Anarchy, despite all its ultra-left radical kitsch and appeal, is bullshit.
You speak ultimate truths, thusly I forward my "War Against Punks" plan. We need to smash every last fucking mo-hawk with a baseball bat. My free will says I need to make sure their blood is still red.
And what happens if it turns out to be purple or yellow? o_O

Then we check every one of them and do tests on their dead corpses to see why they're so fucking ugl-"different."

AtomicWeezleman · Post by **AtomicWeezleman** » Thu Apr 17, 2003 3:32 am

Kamoc wrote:
AtomicWeezleman wrote:hint- the world hangs on perspective
so your argument is destroyed.

damn you

Cardinal.jpg · Post by **Cardinal.jpg** » Thu Apr 17, 2003 7:01 am

There is a problem with the term anarchy and how it is viewed, most people will generalise it a total choas or at least some form of chaotic environment, whereas others will see it as an authoritarianless society where people are "free" to do what they want.
There are problems with both aspects and it is probably quite clear to everybody that anarchy is a pipedream anyway.
The problem with the first one is that this assumes that everybody is inherentrly lazy and mean all the time, where things are always done with the expetation of reward.
The problem with the second one is that this assumes there is no greed or desire to be better than someone else.

I personally would like a completely chaotic world where nothing is stable including physical states, like a plane of chaotic existence.
Where I would like to see society though is a place where there is noone better than another or with power over anyone else, either authoritarianly or monetarily.
In the second there could be free will but only for those who could accept the structure of the society which would lead to others being out of the loop of fulfilment. Obviously all society structures leave some people very content and others in despair, there will probably no way to stop this but people can dream.

Kracus · Post by **Kracus** » Thu Apr 17, 2003 11:49 am

AtomicWeezleman wrote:freewill is an action in which none can stop you, this only results in anarchy when done irresponsibly, but we will never know free will, not with the goverments dictating what we do (yes its true, any goverment is a dictatorship, to be told what to do is to be dictated to)

we do know what free will is. I can go out and shoot or just choke someone to death, my own free will. What happens afterwards is a result.

SSJVegita0609 · Post by **SSJVegita0609** » Thu Apr 17, 2003 5:00 pm

Do Be Do...

What is free will? What is anarachy? It's all relative.

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Thu Apr 17, 2003 5:33 pm

SSJVegita0609 wrote:Do Be Do...

What is free will? What is anarachy? It's all relative.

Or is it just our perception of what is free will that is relative.

KhayotiK · Post by **KhayotiK** » Thu Apr 17, 2003 11:26 pm

Like unicorns jon?

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 12:44 am

Much like unicorns

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 6:48 am

Wacking is what holds us together to hell with anarchy be kind of hard wacking with no order.

Mr Oni

R-A-N-M-A · Post by **R-A-N-M-A** » Fri Apr 18, 2003 11:54 am

Free will does not exsist in anarchy because its mob rules.