Free Will and Anarchy

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Free Will and Anarchy

Post by EarthCurrent » Wed Apr 16, 2003 3:36 pm

Free Will and Anarchy.
My question: Can Free Will exist in Anarchy?

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Re: Free Will and Anarchy

Post by Brsrk » Wed Apr 16, 2003 3:38 pm

earthcurrent wrote:Free Will and Anarchy.
My question: Can Free Will exist in Anarchy?
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Anarchy, in my opinion, is the free will to exist without a government, but then it just makes it a will without a government becasue you are free, but the your will is shattered by anarchy, so it's just without a government... Interesting...
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Post by jonmartensen » Wed Apr 16, 2003 3:41 pm

First you have to define what kind of freewill it is that you speak of.
Then you have to consider "Does freedom of action, i.e. freewill, exist?"
You can't have freewill if it doesn't even exist.
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Post by SSJVegita0609 » Wed Apr 16, 2003 3:54 pm

Hmmm, I thought that anarchy was a state of total free will, where all could do as they pleased (Not a good thing)?
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Post by Kamoc » Wed Apr 16, 2003 3:55 pm

freedom in a confined space. all the people who express their true freedoms are either 'crazy' (locked up) or dead. but you've got to ask yourself what you want out of anarchy in order to constrict your lesser freedoms; in which case your 'total anarchy' destroys itself by contradiction in definition. you can't expect anything out of anarchy if it's true 100% grade-A anarchy.

funny how christians use this same 'free will' argument to define god.

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Post by AtomicWeezleman » Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:13 pm

freewill is an action in which none can stop you, this only results in anarchy when done irresponsibly, but we will never know free will, not with the goverments dictating what we do (yes its true, any goverment is a dictatorship, to be told what to do is to be dictated to)
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Post by Kamoc » Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:52 pm

but what's a responsible will? the goverment is deciding the will of the common good; so who's to say they're not responsible in dictation at all?

hint: define "responsiblity".
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Post by AtomicWeezleman » Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:54 pm

how can i define something for you, id define it from my perspective, but you might see it from a different perspective, so my definition would be wrong

hint- the world hangs on perspective
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Re: Free Will and Anarchy

Post by The_Mad_Hatter » Wed Apr 16, 2003 5:02 pm

earthcurrent wrote:Free Will and Anarchy.
My question: Can Free Will exist in Anarchy?
Nothing can ever exist for everyone. For one person anarchy IS free will, but for other people anarchy is the direct opposite of free will. There are two major deciding factors in life...power...and opinions/beliefs. Those who have both lead the most fullfilled lives. Those who have neither are useless sheep and are nothing more than tools to those who have power and opinions/beliefs. Everyone is different and there are always varying degrees of power and opinions from person to person.
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Post by Propyro » Wed Apr 16, 2003 5:26 pm

well heres my little view of anarchy (I'm thinking of full blown mad maxx style anarchy). If it's every man for them selves, then the weaker peopel will relize that they have a much better chance of surviving if they band together in a group and look out for one another. But unfortunatly people cannot live in a community with out some leader shouting orders to them because people are jsut too dumb. So eventualy you'll wind up with a tribal system with a cheif and lower villiagers and so on. Eventualy this tribal system will evolve back into the society that it was derrived form (provided that the tribe isn't wiped out). So inother words anarchy will be destroyed by the weak. Now this is jsut a rough idea, which probalby has holes large enough to squeeze a freight liner through and most likely relies on you making a whole shit load of assumptions ... i could read over it a few more times and try to close up the loose ends and make it much neater and actualy make sense ... but i have to do my math ... so bye-bye.

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