Most Excessive Use of Ki in an attack

Dark Kamui · Post by **Dark Kamui** » Sun Apr 13, 2003 11:51 am

The best "down to earth" attack that I've ever seen is Kenshin's Amakakero Ryu no Hirameki when he's fighting Shishio. (That definitely involves "Ki")

I think "Ki attacks" become cheesy when they no longer involve any skill. (like DBZ)

At least in Naruto they have their fancy seals, demons, and stuff.

Propyro · Post by **Propyro** » Sun Apr 13, 2003 12:25 pm

Daio Kaji wrote: i hear a lot about love hina but i've never seen it myself and i never would have guessed that they used ki in that series

yea, motoko uses lots to bash around keitaro when ever she or any one feels that he's stepped out of line ... which probably averages out to about once every 10 minuites in the whole series. But if you like romantic comedies then you should give love hina a shot, i thought it was pretty good, and funny.

Daio Kaji · Post by **Daio Kaji** » Sun Apr 13, 2003 10:55 pm

MrScribble wrote:See, that's another thing I don't like about Dragon Ball Z. The attacks.

They claim the attacks get stronger/cooler/better over time, but the only thing that really improves is the way the cartoonists drew them.
I recall a certain episode wayyy back in the beginning where Vegeta blows up a whole planet without even breaking a sweat, or picollo blowing up the moon with a simple attack... then later in the series it suddenly becomes such a hard task that it takes 5 episodes just to charge up...

Dragon Ball Z is just one big plot hole.

i agree about that, they don't stay consistant at all, the only thing u can compare their power levels to are each other and not the world around them...and piccolo did not use a simple blast to take out the moon, it was his most powerful move
as for the scene with vegeta, it was a small planet, and earth is a lot bigger than most of the planets they go to...this is not written in fact anywhere that i know of, i just hear it in the series when they talk about earth's size and when they talk about other planets...sadly yes, i do pay attention to the story line of dbz, the little story that there is, mostly dbz is about 'Saiya-jins' not about any universal truth or anything, just more of a biolography on the warrior species (usually refered to as warrior race actually)
usually u can also judge the power of the attack by how loud they yell when they throw it

...all in all, one big plot whole...and don't get me started on dbgt, i simply think it's taking the plotholelessness of dbz to another level blown way out of proportion, and no that does not make it just like dbz to be blown out of proportion...not entirely anyways

Dark Kamui wrote:I think "Ki attacks" become cheesy when they no longer involve any skill. (like DBZ)

At least in Naruto they have their fancy seals, demons, and stuff.

actually the 'ki attacks' in dbz do involve skill, the weakest ppl in the series have the weakest attacks and the people that train the most (or are born into a species of warriors) have the strongest ki levels and attacks
this can be seem when people begin training with ki for example later in the series gohan is grown up and a girl from his high school named videl spies on gohan and finds out that he can fly, she wants to do the same (who wouldn't)
so he trains her to first control her 'ki' by creating ki balls, then he has her push her ki down to lift her into the air and fly, she doesn't go fast, nor are her ki balls very powerful, even this is a special case because she as a child even trained in martial arts so she had background in dicipline and patience

Kracus · Post by **Kracus** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 7:29 am

One the person who said Kenshin's attack, I'm a little disappointed, I didn't think that was a waste. His final attack was not a waste, he helped put a greater strain on Shishio, it did hurt him. And since Kenshin's goal was to just stop him and not KILL, the attack was not a waste. The more I think of it saying that attack was a waste is an insult.

When it comes to waste DBZ is the series to talk about cause they happen to have bigger/extreme attacks and often don't change the outcome. Such as Vejita blew himself up to kill buu or Goku going SSJ3 twice (although not an attack it was a huge strain of ki usage).

Daio Kaji · Post by **Daio Kaji** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 7:38 am

i would agree that goku going ssj3 was a big waste of ki, but i would only agree with it knowing why he did it, with the intent of saving the planet and everything i would not consider it a waste of ki since his lower levels couldn't cut it against majin buu, but since goku later says that he was only buying time so that his kids gohan and goten could get more powerful and have a chance to save the world, i do think it was a big waste of ki since he could've just used that chance to destroy buu instead of just stalling while the world was in threat of mass destruction
i'm kinda partial to that scene where vegeta gives his life to destroy buu (even though it didn't work) it showed a completely new and deeper side of vegeta and was not a waste of ki, all in all it was a waste of a life, but not of ki

Kracus · Post by **Kracus** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 7:53 am

Daio Kaji wrote:i would agree that goku going ssj3 was a big waste of ki, but i would only agree with it knowing why he did it, with the intent of saving the planet and everything i would not consider it a waste of ki since his lower levels couldn't cut it against majin buu, but since goku later says that he was only buying time so that his kids gohan and goten could get more powerful and have a chance to save the world, i do think it was a big waste of ki since he could've just used that chance to destroy buu instead of just stalling while the world was in threat of mass destruction
i'm kinda partial to that scene where vegeta gives his life to destroy buu (even though it didn't work) it showed a completely new and deeper side of vegeta and was not a waste of ki, all in all it was a waste of a life, but not of ki

yea I'm not saying any of those are a bad thing, did show vejita's good side and Goku did have a reason for doing it, other then showing off 8) I just love how everyone thought he was joking and then once again Goku shows you why he IS the baddest and strongest in the series.

Daio Kaji · Post by **Daio Kaji** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 11:08 am

k, just checkin'

maybe one day i will be able to think about ki and not have dbz take over my mind...(we are now controlling all transmitions)

Kracus · Post by **Kracus** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 2:21 pm

Daio Kaji wrote:k, just checkin'
maybe one day i will be able to think about ki and not have dbz take over my mind...(we are now controlling all transmitions)

Yea the only other thing that comes to mind is Street Fighter.

MrScribble · Post by **MrScribble** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 2:31 pm

Kracus wrote:
Daio Kaji wrote:k, just checkin'
maybe one day i will be able to think about ki and not have dbz take over my mind...(we are now controlling all transmitions)
Yea the only other thing that comes to mind is Street Fighter.

Haven't you seen Akira? If not, I recommend you do. It's like what Dragon Ball Z would be like if it had a plot.

Kracus · Post by **Kracus** » Mon Apr 14, 2003 2:44 pm

MrScribble wrote:
Kracus wrote:
Daio Kaji wrote:k, just checkin'
maybe one day i will be able to think about ki and not have dbz take over my mind...(we are now controlling all transmitions)
Yea the only other thing that comes to mind is Street Fighter.
Haven't you seen Akira? If not, I recommend you do. It's like what Dragon Ball Z would be like if it had a plot.

Yes, First anime I ever bought. It doesn't come to mind however. To me Akira was more of experiments and TK/Telepathy/prophecy. The big difference is DBZ and Street Fighter are marital arts related were they train to do the attacks.