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Post by Garylisk » Sun Mar 16, 2003 2:43 am

Sub? Dub? Who cares. I watch all my anime raw these days. :twisted:
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Post by Propyro » Sun Mar 16, 2003 8:31 pm

Garylisk wrote:Sub? Dub? Who cares. I watch all my anime raw these days. :twisted:
thats good, i would too, but theres a minor problem. i don't understand japanese. So i settle for the next best thing (IMO), i try to find subtitled anime.

But there was one instance where i thought the dub was pretty good, i saw Ninja Scroll dubbed, and i thought that they did a pretty good job. But i still havn't seen the sub titled version yet ... so i can't say one was better then the other.

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Post by Mroni » Sun Mar 16, 2003 11:19 pm

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It depends really, domestic anime companies are starting to get better at choosing voice actors and it's slowly getting to the point that there are some really good dubs that are pretty faithful to the original Japanese. I really like how AD Vision is having Monica Rial do the soft-spoken characters like Hyatt from Excel Saga and Kirika from Noir recently. Whenever AD Vision decides to start dubbing Angelic Layer, I hope to God they cast her as Misaki, or at least Hatoko. Bandai is doing quite good dub work as well recently as the .hack//SIGN voice actors sounded just great. And it's sometimes quite funny/interesting to hear certain Japanese puns and jokes dubbed so that they make sense, yet still retain a semblence of their original meaning and match the lip-movement of the characters. Real good voice actors can improvise phrases that'll fit the bill.
Although I wholeheartedly agree that Dubs are getting better (even bearable for me), I still present my original point about original "vision" and casting. Regardless of if we think one sounds better than the other there is a "right" version according to the creator ne? Call me Elitist or whatever, but I like seeing things as close to the original idea as possible.
It is dubs all the way for me. I like dubs, and ALOT of dubs that you people criticize are not nearly as bad as you make them out to be.

Though, now that we have DVDs, I watch the dub first, then I go back and watch the show in Japanese with subtitles.
But this is from someone who watches dubs over subs. Of course you're going to say dubs are better, just as we are saying subs are better. To me I think 90% of dubs are unbearable. They sound so phony and cheezy. Most times this is to match the movements of the mouths. Also in most cases, they will cut dialogue solely to match mouth movements. In any case, I'm fairly sure we are criticizing the dubs because they really are that bad to us.
Slayers-This is one where the dub is just better than the original. Lisa ortiz is a way better Red head than megumi Hayshibara. I like the supporting cast in this one better too.
I can't even believe you said that. Megumi Hayashibara is one of the most talented voice actresses in Japan. She does an emotionless character like Rei and then a wacky character like Lina Inverse.
I did not say I didn't like or respect Megumi Hayshibara I just said that Lisa Ortiz makes a way better redhead I stand behind this.
Kenshin-The sub is better in every way except for kenshin!! Hes sounds better in the dub more like a wuss less like a girl.
I guess I somewhat agree with that, but this is done on purpose. Himura Kenshin is supposed to sound very femine and gentle because it gives a good counter to his Battousai identity. I think the dub of Kenshin sounds the same for both personalities. He does sound more masculine, but Kenshin's character isn't supposed to be that. There is a reason why he has long red hair, a small body frame, etc. He is based on a real samurai (actually based on multiple samurais) during the Bakumatsu that apparently had red hair and was very femine (but I guess only the Japanese would know that stuff, but it was made for them :-P). Also, Kenshin's VA was a woman (like many other cases where a man is played by a woman).

I disagree there is a noticable change in the tone of kenshins dub voice when he is getting serious. Note That I said he sounds like a wuss like a guy but still a wussy guy but not a female guys do not sound like females after puberty. As for kenshin being based on anybody real I disagree. But several of the people he meets are based on real people like sato for example. But in the end I agree with you we watch what we like.


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Post by Mroni » Sun Mar 16, 2003 11:21 pm

Sorry for how messed up the response was expermimenting with the quotes.


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Post by dwchang » Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:06 am

I disagree there is a noticable change in the tone of kenshins dub voice when he is getting serious. Note That I said he sounds like a wuss like a guy but still a wussy guy but not a female guys do not sound like females after puberty. As for kenshin being based on anybody real I disagree. But several of the people he meets are based on real people like sato for example. But in the end I agree with you we watch what we like.
Yeah Saitoh is based on the real Shinsen Gumi Third Captain. In fact (off-topic), there is a line where some politician asks Saitoh if he wants a drink and he says he doesn't drink since it makes him kill people. That was an inside joke because the real Saitoh died because he drank so much (liver failure). Also, the first Shinsen Gumi Captain was also Okina (whom Soujirou is based off). I believe Aoshi's character design is based on the Lieutenant of the Shinsen Gumi. I think Sano's character design is too, but I don't remember who.

As for Kenshin, he isn't specifically based on one person, but I *believe* he is based on multiple known hitokiris (assassins). I think one of them had a cross shaped scar on his cheek, another had (apparently) red hair (I don't know how this is...probably not true) and another had a more feminie build. (shrug)
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Post by OmniStrata » Mon Mar 17, 2003 1:01 am

And the battle continues...

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