Am I the only one getting sick of the AMV scene?

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Post by Vlad G Pohnert » Fri Mar 14, 2003 10:41 pm

NME wrote:Or did he.


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I've been on this site for quite a while, and all those who have met me I hopefully assume that find I really don't have nay problems talking with anyone regardless of age. As in any hobby, there will always be those who originally start off and then the "next" generation of members which in turn creats a rift between the two groups. I've been aground the fandom scence for over 16 years and have seen this happen over and over.

Generally, I don't get upset over the differences of opinions or differnet views presented even if I may or may not agree with them.

The one thing I do agree that seems sad in this online community is how some people conduct themselves when they post or they knid of statement and language that must be used by a few others. It's this kind of posting that drive away alot of individuals and then those who post like that wonder why no one respects them.

So in the end, why do it? What's wrong with being polite and not spouting off at every comment or opinion that is posted? Why do some people have to be that way? Quite honestly it must be the hide behind the keyboard thing beacuse I do have to agree with Quu that everyone I do meet and talk with at convention seems to pleasent and nice to deal with...

I realize all of us are human and prone to emotions, but maybe we should all just try to have fun hear and enjoy the benefits of the community rather than destroy it.... Then all those who left would probably come back as well....

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Post by Jebadia » Fri Mar 14, 2003 10:47 pm

Funny, i was watching Jeoperdy that day when the question came up.

This year, things have seemed to take less effect on me, someone could write a flame review for one of my videos...and I'd probably respond kindly with a thank you, and even write them a review, since I take a lot my anger out on my english essays (oh the fun). As for the degeneration of the forum...let it go down the drain if it must, the forum is only a privilage, which a lot of people seemed to have forgotten already. Frankly it would be great if Phade decided to shut the forum down for a while, without warning, or explaination, just because he can.

As for the chatroom, it has gotten a bit wild, of course alot of the old crew doesn't hang around as often anymore. After the DBZfreak33 bomb was dropped, a lot of people were directed to the chat, thus introducing tons of forum goers into the chat room...some stayed...some left...and others...were idle. Of course the chat was never completely tame, accept during working and school hours, and was and always will be a sideshow of crazy people talking about AMV's...and just about anything else that pops up *cough* scat porn *cough*
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Post by Chaos Angel » Fri Mar 14, 2003 11:19 pm

The anonymity of the internet allows for two things, IMHO. The ability to say the thoughtful, helpful, and positive things you may not otherwise really have the courage to speak up about, and the ability to make an utter jackass out of yourself by attacking people verbally and insulting them as much as possible without any real fear of reprisal.

It's sad to note which seems to be the more popular option...

Me, whether on the internet or in real life, I try to be as courteous and helpful and generally positive, in deeds if not attitude, as I can be. I was raised to be thoughtful of others and to be helpful when it is needed, so that's how I try to be. I don't always like it, but I think it's a good way to be overall.

I agree that the forum has it's definite negative side, but there are good things about it too. I've met some very interesting, very nice people on this forum that I would dearly love to meet at a con one day (Got Otakon?), and I think it's worth the negativity I see running rampant at times to be able to interact with them, even if it is just random pixels shaped into the image of text and pictures rather than a real face-to-face encounter.

Gods, I'm normally never this optimistic and sappy... OtakuOutpost, you have ruined my cynical pessimistic rep! ::shakes fist::

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Post by OtakuOutpost » Fri Mar 14, 2003 11:25 pm

NME wrote:Well yeah, I agree with you. But being uptight about a community going to shit just isn't productive IMO. I agree that some people could be a bit more mature, while I may come off as immature (incredibly) I am actually quite mature and friendly in real life. I can't exactly say what posesses me to let loose online, maybe it's the lack of retribution, or wanting to blow off daily steam, but whatever it is, I agree with Quu as most people are totally reasonable when you meet them in real life. If they're not being reasonable, Mr. Taser and Mr. Mace can help that.
This topic is really forming into discussion about how people are treated in this online forum. Your letting "loose online" isn't really who you are, but it can sure turn people away. If this thread makes even one person evaluate how they are really representing themselves and how they treat others in this forum, then it is worth it.

The only reason people "let loose online" is because it is acceptable. There is no real reprimand for your actions the same way you can kill someone in a video game and not get arrested in real life. In fact, people are often rewarded for being mean to others by gathering laughter and virtual high fives. It's no wonder people do "let loose".

I know the people I meet at cons are generally much nicer and mature than they appear on this list, but convention life equates to about 20 days out of the year. The overwelming exposure to the AMV making community is online, which we all seem to agree has it's downside. That's what I guess is really bugging me. I've been a part of this community for over 6 years now. I remember a time when there was no downside to the online community.

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Post by FirestormXIII » Fri Mar 14, 2003 11:40 pm

I think good points have been raised on both sides of the fence.

On the one hand, yes on the average the community is getting younger (side effect of anime becoming more popular) and there is a certain amount of immaturity abound. I personally believe that the 'immature' element has always existed, it's just that as more people come into the forums it simply becomes more apparent.
On the other hand, I believe that the majority of people that are actually involved in the anime scene aren't steeped in the 'immature' level. (Also note that I'm not saying younger=immature) But at the same time, there are a lot of those people who do like to have fun here (and in the chat), and I believe it's construed by other members as immaturity.

Personally, I don't even see the forums as 'the AMV community', because honestly it's not. Yes, creators and others who like AMVs exchange thoughts and ideas and such here, but because it's open to the public (regardless of whether you're part of the main site or not) it really becomes a place where AMV makers, AMV lovers, anime lovers, and people who don't make AMVs, don't watch AMVs, and sometimes don't even watch or like anime, hang out.
This forum, for that reason, is not the 'AMV scene' and shouldn't by any means be used as a measuring stick for where the community stands.

I'm not trying to be elitist or anything or say 'there's people here who don't like anime OMG so this place doesn't count ', I'm just telling it the way it is. Now, there is the small matter of this place being the AnimeMusicVideos.org forum, but that's not the issue here right now...

I've been around the site and the forums for about a year and a half (seems like a long time for some reason) and was around during the old forum and the days when the chatroom wasn't popular at all. Yes, the way things had been were, on the whole, good. But that was only once you 'got in' to what was going on.
The one thing that you don't hear in the reminiscing about the old site is how rudely newcomers were treated in the forums (ok, admittedly half of the time they were asking questions that had been asked a million times before, but I have also seen newcomers put down for even having an opinion on something) and how part of the reason the site stayed so close is because a lot of the new blood decided not to return at all because of their initial encounters. I, for one lurked for around a month before I decided to post anything here. I think I got a bit lucky and didn't tee anyone off ^_^

As for the state of the 'union', so to speak...

I, having never gone to a con in my life (hoping to change that at AWA this year) still feel like I'm ever becoming more a part of the AMV community because of my interactions with everyone else who does take part in this hobby. It's reviewing people's videos, watching their betas, giving advice, taking advice, sharing ideas, sharing musical tastes, anime likes and dislikes, techniques, technical info, working on projects together, etc. that are to me what really define how the community is. And so far I've come away with nothing but good feelings about it. Yes, sometimes disputes arise, but that will happen anywhere where there is more than one person and those people's opinions differ. It's the reconciliation of those opinions and ideas that shape the way the community grows.

In short, you really have to consider what exactly the community is and where it exists before you pass judgement on how the AMV scene has deteriorated. If you use the forums, which as I've said before don't respresent the community because they're aren't soley compromised of the members of the community, then yes you will have a certain view of things going downhill in this hobby. But if you take a look at the interactions of those that are truly involved in the hobby of AMVs then I believe you get a different, and IMO better view of how things are.

My convoluted two cents. x_x;;

P.S.-I agree that there are a number of members on this forum who are generally disruptive and very noticeable and vocal in terms of their disturbances. But they can only annoy you as much as you allow yourself to be annoyed. Either laugh, or ignore them and move on, it's your choice. But to get uptight about what they do and rant and rave about them only gives some of them exactly what they want: to get a reaction. So, yea...laugh, or ignore and move on, or both.

P.P.S.-As for the AMV chat, yes it is a bit wild these days, but then again it's also become far more popular than the days when there were only a few of us who visited it regularly. (10 people was a lot in those days) (ack, I'm being nostalgic :shock:) It is hard to keep a logical flow of discussion going when there's 20+ people in a chat, and aside from that most people go into the chat to cut loose a bit. And once again the issue of the room being completely open to the public comes into play. Good conversations still happen, but you have to catch the room at the right time, or ignore the undercurrent of randomness there.

Ok, really, I'm done this time :)
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Post by NME » Sat Mar 15, 2003 12:44 am

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Post by Machine » Sat Mar 15, 2003 12:48 am

AWA is here the AMV community is at. At least that's what I believe.

I had such a great time there. I don't take anything here on these boards seriously (depends on the subject).

But i love hanging with people at cons. That's where the true fun is at :) :wink:

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Post by anneke » Sat Mar 15, 2003 1:23 am

The one thing I do agree that seems sad in this online community is how some people conduct themselves when they post or they knid of statement and language that must be used by a few others. It's this kind of posting that drive away alot of individuals and then those who post like that wonder why no one respects them.
The above statement is what I strongly agree with. The language and how people present themselves, drives me away. Insults thrown back and forth even when it's in play with friends (we don't know that your friends), we don't know that your just playing being Rude. It's annoying. And not a welcome environment.

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Post by klinky » Sat Mar 15, 2003 1:49 am

So What ?


Ummmm ?


How would guys like it better ?

Hmmm ? Please in detail describe the perfect AMV Commmunity.


Tis true this is not the "entire" AMV community. It's a fair chunk of it however. The AMV community is not a single con, it's not a single place. It's every little website and person out there churning out a AMV.

AnimeMusicVideos.Org's forums sucks. Not the entire AMV community. Would have been a better thread topic. I don't think this place sucks. I've met quite a few nice people here. People who I talk to on a regular basis. ^_^ A lovely lady oh yes. And all, I see there is more good then bad here.

Now some people say newbies aren't being treated fairly. Most newbies come here, post something, then they leave and never come back. Not because anyone was mean to them, but because they like forget about this place within the next day. :\

The ones that post "stupid" questions. Such as how to get god damn PSX footage for the ten billionth time, or how they just downloaded all of evangelion but it's crashing Premiere. Those people get their ass chewed up :\. Blah. While there is probably more ass chewing then needed in the help forums, alot of those people need to be hit in the head with a brick. >_< Not everyone, not the majority of people in the help forums ^_^.

There are a few annoying people out there, sure. But so what? Annoying people are everywhere. Everyone has that actor in hollywood that they hate, or that stupid band on MTV(or they hate MTV as well since it doesn't fucking play music anymore). So :\ meh.

This place is a big part of my life. Oh yes, I have not much more life then this place and I value everyone that I like here. Which is just damn well about everyone. :\

>_> <_< As for you OtakuOutpost, with your impressive 18post count. Yeah I am going to bring that up. Maybe you just like to lurk and analyze everything, but you're not much of a part of this forum with just 18 grand posts. And as for you Anneke you seem to only show up when it's time to bitch about something. Last time I saw you here it was in the "Let's bitch about Vic and his DVD selling ways". Tho he did need a >_> kick in the balls for that one tho. :< oh yes indeed.

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Point being, sure it's shit in your eyes, but what are you going to do about?


ERmm nothing ? :?


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Post by Flint the Dwarf » Sat Mar 15, 2003 1:58 am

klinky wrote:As for you OtakuOutpost, with your impressive 18post count. Yeah I am going to bring that up. Maybe you just like to lurk and analyze everything, but you're not much of a part of this forum with just 18 grand posts. And as for you Anneke you seem to only show up when it's time to bitch about something.
You know Klinky, their post counts support both sides. They don't post because of this foolishness. So what if they lurk? They wait to post something valid in a thread where they want to be heard. There's no problem with that. They don't want to be engulfed in massive threads about nothing.

Post count is irrelevant.
klinky wrote:This place is a big part of my life. Oh yes, I have not much more life then this place and I value everyone that I like here. Which is just damn well about everyone. :\
However, I can't really fault you here. There are some really cool people on this board. So it is offensive when people make generalizations about the current AMV population. Even though there is a higher amount of immaturity.
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