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Post by Jiima » Fri Feb 28, 2003 6:20 pm

He Thor01 wrote:Next, slowly I found the underground Anime world, and it has been great but I know it cannot last, every happy little subculture throughout history has stopped being a subculture as soon as some large company has found some way to instantly get you in by selling you things
Stop referring to it like that. Yeah, it's a subculture... HERE IN THE US OR OTHER NON-JAPANESE COUNTRIES. But, in Japan, it is an undeniable part of their culture. I don't think we have to worry about anime dying out in Japan. And since Japan is where we get our supplies... :? Sure, anime may have it's rise and fall in the States or elsewhere, but when it does fall things will just return to the way they are now. Enjoy the increased demand and, therefore, supply of anime while it is on a pop streak. And don't feed me that crap that you don't want anime to become popular. Because then you aren't watching it for what it is... and that's a unique and interesting style of story telling.

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Post by KhalReblic23 » Fri Feb 28, 2003 6:24 pm

preach it brother 8)
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Post by Meksikanfude » Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:37 pm

I sense some hostility in the air...
I'm glad anime is doing as it is. I've always liked anime and wish it the best. I've always gotten my anime... through any means.
But also theres the sacrifice of it being popular. We have censorship. Sometimes it edits religious contents, blood, and language. It is in the best interests of the American people, i mean, where else are kids stupid enough to jump off a building believeing they can fly, or shoot themseselves, believing they can dodge bullets (Of course, that whole argument can be backed off by the way parents reaise their kids).
But still...
Japanese animation differs in American animation in that way. the freedoms and the way they express themselves. Must the greatness of anime be edited out to appeal the masses?

I wish anime becomes even more people, and at the same times for its viewers to grow up along with it.

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Post by Jiima » Sat Mar 01, 2003 1:39 pm

Okay... You raise an excellent point there. If the popularity of anime could rise without some stupid moron at the FCC going "OMG!!! We've always over looked some of this stuff, because it wasn't mainstream. Now that it's mainstream we'll have to crank up the edit machine and leave half of those films on the floor." Oh GOD!! if that ever happens than I wish anime never to rise to popularity. So I guess it's best that it stay in a sort of underground state for that reason. 'Cause God knows there's no way our tight ass American culture will ever decide to allow things like that. I mean, come on, <srcsm> America knows best </srcsm>...

Riiiiiiiiiiight o.O

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Post by CaTaClYsM » Sat Mar 01, 2003 1:52 pm

Jiima wrote:Okay... You raise an excellent point there. If the popularity of anime could rise without some stupid moron at the FCC going "OMG!!! We've always over looked some of this stuff, because it wasn't mainstream. Now that it's mainstream we'll have to crank up the edit machine and leave half of those films on the floor." Oh GOD!! if that ever happens than I wish anime never to rise to popularity. So I guess it's best that it stay in a sort of underground state for that reason. 'Cause God knows there's no way our tight ass American culture will ever decide to allow things like that. I mean, come on, <srcsm> America knows best </srcsm>...

Riiiiiiiiiiight o.O
if there was an anime pay channel then they could air it unedited without having to worry about what 'concerned parents' say.
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab

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Post by Jiima » Sat Mar 01, 2003 1:54 pm

Yeah... weren't there rumors flying around about an Anime Channel? What ever happened to that?

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Post by CaTaClYsM » Sat Mar 01, 2003 1:55 pm

In fact now that I think about it, the Action Channel and International Channel air unedited anime on a regualr basis, Action channel does old Manga rejects like psycho diver, bio hunter, shadow skill, twilight of the dark master, the kind of stuff that gave anime a bad name. And the International channel showed unedited DBZ, a lot bloodier than it's US counterpart.
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab

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Post by CaTaClYsM » Sat Mar 01, 2003 1:59 pm

But there will always be anime noone will ever see on TV. Azumanga Daioh is one that comes to mind. The money grubbing leeches like the ones at funimaion could NEVER find a way to make money off of a show like that. What would thier target audience be? How could they posible dub it when half of the conversations is either about speaking english, or about the japanese language? I could see Azumanga Daioh on the International channel. But thats an anime that can set a true otaku apart from the wannabes.
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab

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Post by kthulhu » Sat Mar 01, 2003 2:36 pm

Cat does raise a good point about "Azumanga Daioh". Beyond the more enlightened or open-minded "otaku" (I prefer enthusiast, myself), "Azumanga Daioh" essentially has no audience here in the States, which is a damn shame, too, since it's probably one of the best series around.

Action drones will be put off by its slower pace and lack of explosions, shoujo types will be disappointed by its lack of romance, the majority of the US population either wouldn't get it or not even try to view it, dismissing it as a sissy series about girls, and most girls, well, would be turned off because it's not yaoi ;) .

Not to mention a dub would involve massive rewrites if they wanted to try to appeal to more people (thus killing a lot of the series, in the process, more than likely), and probably be atrocious sounding.

And where is the marketing potential? There is none in the US, which makes it less attractive to mass market distributors.

So yeah, there will always be series that will never be shown on TV. I would consider some of the mainstreaming to just be a partial foot in the stream, as it were. Trigun, DBZ, Bebop, Eva, Gundam - all of them (with varying levels of quality) have mass market appeal because they all have action and marketing potential, and are fairly easy to grasp. They'll have their day, then sink back into the less visible mainstream.
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Post by CaTaClYsM » Sat Mar 01, 2003 4:03 pm

Don't forget the romance factor, my little sister (she was like, 5 or 6 atthe time) hatthe hots for hero huey, that is why she watched gundam win, and action is certainly not the reason why people watch sailor moon. And Azumanga Daioh could NEVER be dubbed. I don't mean literaly can't, I just mean there is NO possible way to do the show without butchering it. A good portion of anime can live through a dubbing if the writers and voice actors are skilled. But series like Daoh canoot be dubbed.
So in other words, one part of the community is waging war on another part of the community because they take their community seriously enough to want to do so. Then they tell the powerless side to get over the loss cause it's just an online community. I'm glad people make so much sense." -- Tab

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