DDR2 BitTorrent

FurryCurry · Post by **FurryCurry** » Thu Feb 20, 2003 2:26 pm

WilLoW :--) wrote:Seeing the stats, everything seems to go pretty well... Currently 7 complete and 3 downloading...does this mean that we have more people who share than people who download ???

That's exactly what that means.

klinky · Post by **klinky** » Thu Feb 20, 2003 4:49 pm

WilLoW :--) wrote:Klinky, could you put a link to the stats on the download page ?
I think it can be useful.

Done!

Synthangel · Post by **Synthangel** » Thu Feb 20, 2003 5:09 pm

Btw, I fixed my problem. It was being caused by the experimental BT client. I've got cable, and Comcast's an ass so I have to cap my upload. I'm SUPPOSED to have 1.5 Mbit download and 128k upload, but in reality, it's more like 2 Mbit download and 100k upload. Problem is, uploading REALLY saps my download speed. My download speed usually drops 25 kilobytes per second for every 1 kilobyte per second I'm uploading. Well, I redownloaded the file using the original BT client, and it works fine now. Btw, I'd suggest downloading the file overnight. Then, when it finishes, you're still online for like five or six hours for people to download it off you.

Gottaname · Post by **Gottaname** » Thu Feb 20, 2003 11:34 pm

Well, frankly, I talked to the creator of BT, Bram... he said no matter what you do, leechers will still not be able to take advantage of the system... even if they were using a bloody remoded file leecher.

I may go and learn Ptyhon and see whether I can remodify the tracker to actually have the capability to track clients in real time and be able deal with any file leechers by manually kicking them off or automated in a sense that if users don't upload a certain percentage of that file, they won't be able to download it fully.

And furry curry, I had my eyes on this project for a long time, I've probably been the only person here on the board to actually take interest in this sytem for AMVs back a few months ago.

EarthCurrent · Post by **EarthCurrent** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 12:47 am

::waves a tiny flag for gottaname, but quickly tires and falls asleep::

BogoSort · Post by **BogoSort** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:49 am

Gottaname wrote:Well, frankly, I talked to the creator of BT, Bram... he said no matter what you do, leechers will still not be able to take advantage of the system... even if they were using a bloody remoded file leecher.

Why would you trust the author's opinion about the ability to take advantage of the system? Microsoft says that their software isn't buggy and works, Adobe says that Premiere doesn't crash, Theo says that OpenBSD is immune to root exploits. All of them can say whatever they want, but it doesn't make it any more true.

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:50 am

[quote="BogoSort]Premiere doesn't crash[/quote]

You mean to tell me that premiere crashes *shock*

Gottaname · Post by **Gottaname** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 7:07 am

BogoSort: Well, BT took 5 years to Research and Develop, it's commands and systems are like DOS, ever tried hacking DOS? Nope, don't think you can. Same thing here for BT... Many Authors say that their product works... but BT HAS BEEN TESTED. Most Anime Digi subs are now spread using BT, it has proven to be a cheap and ideal solution to serve many ppl. Of course, BT will always be upgraded to meet the demands of the future. And people like you are simply not programmers who can understand that this people which developed the software for you spent time, money, energy and blood making these programs so that we can make our AMVs and better utilise our computers. Without them, we can kiss out AMV making goodbye so cut them some slack.

BogoSort · Post by **BogoSort** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 11:23 am

Gottaname wrote:BogoSort: Well, BT took 5 years to Research and Develop, it's commands and systems are like DOS, ever tried hacking DOS? Nope, don't think you can. Same thing here for BT... Many Authors say that their product works... but BT HAS BEEN TESTED. Most Anime Digi subs are now spread using BT, it has proven to be a cheap and ideal solution to serve many ppl. Of course, BT will always be upgraded to meet the demands of the future. And people like you are simply not programmers who can understand that this people which developed the software for you spent time, money, energy and blood making these programs so that we can make our AMVs and better utilise our computers. Without them, we can kiss out AMV making goodbye so cut them some slack.

First of all, I have done a bit of DOS hacking back in the day. Course you do have to remember that DOS doesn't really do networking well at all, and once you have console access, breaking into the machine is pretty trivial no matter what you do. BT is probably more more closely related to a Unix daemon, and I have yet to see one ever that has never suffered from any exploits or DOS(Denial of Service) attacks.

Now a bit of history. BSD has been around for 25 years, with a userbase that far exceeds that of BitTorrent by many orders of magnitude. This userbase has TESTED BSD and tried to hack it, and the bugs in it get fixed as they are discovered. In fact, OpenBSD, which is an offshoot of the original BSD code has teams of coders auditing the code, and reauditing the code constantly in the hopes of removing any possible expliot. This is a far more thorough search than I suspect that the author of BT did.

You have to keep in mind the difference between different levels of works. There's the base level where it provides functionality. Microsoft products, Adobe products, and BitTorrent all easily provide that. Another level is internal stability, where the program doesn't have internal problems and die every now and then, that depends on the particular product from the companies, but I'd presume that BitTorrent is stable. The final level is external security. I have never seen anything that is completely secure from external attack. By virtue of having human coders they are bound to make mistakes of oversights that will result in exploitable bugs.

I happen to be a programmer, who also happens to take an interest in security. The first rule of security that I learned is that nothing is secure. If it wasn't for my job where I program, the time that I spend having a social life, or the time that I spend working on amvs nowadays, I'd take you up on your challenge to try to find way to abuse the system.

Personally I think that BitTorrent is a fabuluous idea and works wonderfully. However I do have to dispute claims like "impossible to be hacked" or the less strong "impossible to be abused." Such things are never true when many competent people are try to prove that this isn't the case.

WilLoW :--) · Post by **WilLoW :--)** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 12:13 pm

klinky, do you have more stats ?
home many people have downloaded entirely the file ? What is the average dl speed ?
Can you get these pieces of info ? I'd like to "see" the usefulness of this technique compared to other p2p apps.