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Post by Mroni » Wed Feb 19, 2003 10:27 pm

DeathScytheAngel wrote:I really don't feel that you should be calling this movie a piece of anit-american filth. It's really a very moving film. If you think its anti-american don't watch it, you know what its about. You really shouldn't be insulting someone's work like that. Its meant to be more than a war film.

This isn't a review I have written myself, because I don't think I'd be able to write a decent review that didn't take sides. I found this review very helpful and I hope you do too.

"Grave of the Fireflies" ("Hotaru no haka") is one of the most powerful anti-war films I have ever seen, which means that it has no competition when it comes to emotional impact in terms of animated films. The death of Bambi's mother was a traumatic shock, but nothing like the sense of despair and grief that overwhelms you by the end of this film. The film begins with the spirit of a young boy showing us his death in a train station, after which we follow the fireflies into the past to see his story. At the beginning of the original movie of "Brian's Song" we were told: "All true stories end in death. This is a true story." So is "Grave of the Fireflies" because I have no problem granting the legitimacy of "truth" to fiction.

In the last months of World War II an American fire bomb raid destroys the port city of Kobe, where almost all of the buildings are made of wood. Seita (Tsutomu Tatsumi/J. Robert Spencer) is a 14-year old boy who survives along with his 4-year old sister Setsuko (Ayano Shiraishi/Rhoda Chrosite). They were separated from their mother during the raid, which spares them from her fate. Their father is a navy officer serving in the Imperial Navy at sea, and the two kids go off to live with an aunt. With both his school and the war factory where we worked gone, Seita does not know what to do. So he tries to take care of his sister. But his aunt constantly berates him and after trading his mother's kimonos for race, Seita decides to take Setsuko and live in a couple of caves dug for bomb shelters. For a while their live remains idyllic, but then there is nothing left to trade for food, and no food to be bought for money. Seita has to steal food to survive and Setsuko is getting weaker and weaker from hunger.

This film is based on the semi-autobiographical novel written by Akiyuki Nosaka, which won the Naoli Prize, the Japanese equivalent of the Pulitzer Prize for Literature. Like Seita, he survived the fire bombing with a younger sister, who died in his care. Obviously the story stems from a sense of guilty and I have to think the story was confessional rather than cathartic for Nosaka. Writer-director Isao Takahata turns this tragedy into what can only be described as a poetic experience, achieving a cinematic lyricism that could never have been accomplished in a live-action film (e.g., the way the fireflies have a counterpoint in the pieces of ash that drift on the wind after the fire bombings). There is a quietness to this film, a sense of contemplation that emphasizes important and small moments alike, and makes scenes linger as the heart-rending story plays out to its fatal conclusion. The voice work by both of the young girls playing Setsuko is extremely effective; I have a slight preference for that done by Ayano Shiriashi simply because it is much more naturalistic than what you usually find in anime depicting children.

"Graves of the Fireflies" is an unforgettable film, one which will reduce most viewers to tears if not outright sobbing. Watching it is a painful experience, but then a film depicting the horrors of war and showing what happens to young children is supposed to have that effect. Viewing it a second time makes the experience even more intense (you probably will not catch what Setsuko's last words are the first time through, but be prepared for what it will do to you when you watch the film again). You will never, ever forget this film and you should be very, very careful about showing it to younger children, because it will change forever what they think about animated films. It will do that for you as well.


I think you are misrepresenting the aunt she wanted him to work like her daughter which is perfectly acceptable. I see that you see something completley different in than I do. I didn't find it very moving maybe it's because I have always like war movies. Quit with the dramatics all ready its a B - at best.

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Post by CaTaClYsM » Wed Feb 19, 2003 11:42 pm

If there were any anime that I had to say was my one all time favortie it woudl be this one. It was based on a true story (or based on a book that was based on a true story.) It isn't just a good anime, but a good movie, and a good story. You can't say that for most animes.
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Post by derek_t » Thu Feb 20, 2003 5:59 am

I don't think it was anti-american. I mean we are dealing with Japan is WW2 are we really expecting the Japanesse characters to say "Yes, we are being bombed out of our homes as we should be because we are evil for starting this war. Please kill us all"?

At the same time I do agree Mroni that I think the aunt does want Setsuko to work. Setsuko seems to completly avoid it at all costs. While I didn't like certain things the aunt did (her complaining about the young daugther crying) I don't think she was evil just stuborn (which was the major theme of the film).

The story is about pride. The pride of a Japan that would refuse to surrender until not 1 but 2 atom bombs are dropped. The pride of the aunt who (I think its obvious) knows whats going to happen but won't ask Setsuko to say because that may be seen as giving in. And Setsuko who when told that his sister will die if he doesn't get her food still will not go back.

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Post by LittleKefalos » Thu Feb 20, 2003 6:48 am

I've seen it once, and technically it is a very good movie, in terms of emotion, well like anything, you have to be in the mood. I wasn't in an emotional mood at the time so it wasn't too sad. Next time I'll watch it when I'm sad and then I guess it will be to late for this reply by then.

I don't get sad that often. :wink:

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Post by RadicalEd0 » Thu Feb 20, 2003 3:08 pm

LittleKefalos wrote:I've seen it once, and technically it is a very good movie, in terms of emotion, well like anything, you have to be in the mood. I wasn't in an emotional mood at the time so it wasn't too sad. Next time I'll watch it when I'm sad and then I guess it will be to late for this reply by then.

I don't get sad that often. :wink:
EXACTLY! exfuckingzactly

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but I was, you know, persecuted in another thread for being a hip teen and caring more about my clothes than moving anime
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Post by Timelessblurr » Thu Feb 20, 2003 6:25 pm

I surpised this thread as not turn in to it ussal debate yet.
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Post by kthulhu » Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:54 pm

I think Japan detonated the bombs at ground level themselves and blamed it on the US. Truman agreed to take the blame and also rebuild Japan, and received five of the Emperor's favorite Japanese sex slaves for doing so.

I also think General Macarthur was right when he compared the Japanese to twelve year olds in front of Congress.

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Post by Mroni » Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:58 pm

Nah LOL

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Post by FATTY_VM » Thu Feb 20, 2003 11:03 pm

i just saw this movie ... why didnt the dirty little brat just swallow his pride and go back to his aunt .. hec killed his sister by not doing so.
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Post by Mroni » Thu Feb 20, 2003 11:06 pm

Well he really just wanted a chance to practice his sick incestous pedophilac tendencys on her but something was getting in the way.

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