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Post by Ashton » Sat Jan 25, 2003 2:40 am

afree87 wrote:Oh, and:

WA DOES NOT MARK THE SUBJECT! SO STOP IT!

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What does it mark then?
Oh, and a quick question to everyone, how many of you know what the word "ore" means (I only use romaji because I would have to switch to IE to use the IME)
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Post by danielwang » Tue Jan 28, 2003 1:34 am

Well I wrote a dynamic vector pattern-search engine for recognizing hiragana and I decided that I would try to organize the hiragana into subcomponents and organize them into a nice algorithm database.

It made no sense, but I finally learned Hiragana. And, I also learned that the subcomponents are called radicals, as in how ki looks like sa which is the reverse of ti, adn how No appears in A and the other N objects...

2 days of research, and I can't find out why that monk put me and n? objects together, as why he did such with ta and ni. What a lousy unscalable proprietary system, though nice and elegant!
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Post by KungPaoChicken » Tue Jan 28, 2003 7:13 am

Does no one just take it at a community college, as I am doing currently?

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Post by danielwang » Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:17 pm

I have a hiragana chart on my wall, as well as the hiragana flowchart/pattern map next to the anime posters and blueprints... lots of memorization and debugging work will save you that money ^_^.

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Hm, I think I'll visit Osaka through the internet this afternoon. Teleconferencing, anyone? Too bad the RSA Data Security con at the Tokyo Intl Forum is months away, they gots live webcams and streaming RealTwo audio, for anyone who needs exposure to japanese. And don't forget plenty of anime and a few phone calls to NTT DoCoMo...

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I'll try to see if I can hire a corporate answering service in Japan or rent a PO Pox, I'll need an adress in Japan and a PO Box manager or someone who forwards mail... I feel my money is safer from the IRS in a foreign country, plus I'll need the Irdeto smartcards sent to me in the US to get my anime >.<.



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Post by Alucard_FoN » Wed Jan 29, 2003 3:04 pm

danielwang wrote:It made no sense, but I finally learned Hiragana. And, I also learned that the subcomponents are called radicals, as in how ki looks like sa which is the reverse of ti, adn how No appears in A and the other N objects...
shouldn't that "ti" be "chi" instead? I'm pretty damn sure there is no "ti" symbol.

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Post by danielwang » Thu Jan 30, 2003 7:41 pm

True, phoenetically it is in fact c^hi.

Really, under the phoenetic table it goes under ti, but because of the phoenetic verbal pronounciation system it is re-encoded as c^hi.

*blink* you know japanese? cool. I have most hiragana (3-5 left) and half the katakana, and I've translated almost half the application for a NTT DoCoMo subscription! YAY!
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Post by Giton » Mon Feb 03, 2003 11:48 am

What does it mark then?
Oh, and a quick question to everyone, how many of you know what the word "ore" means (I only use romaji because I would have to switch to IE to use the IME)
Maybe afree87 meant that NOT ONLY "wa" can mark the subject.
Haha "ore", think it's the same like boku, watashi or watakushi ;)

My Japanese teacher warned us to use "ore" in Japanese because it's not very polite.
But unless your not on a "kaigi" or at "shigoto" it's ok for men to use "ore" or "boku".
Women have to use "watashi" because it's "kirei" enough.
Normally you can forget about "watakushi" exept you meet some politicians or managers.
That's what my teacher told me and since she's Japanese this has to be right.
I didn't have the chance to go to Japan yet, but i was told common speech is more like Japanese in anime (exept for the pronunciation).
Well I'll try to master this language here and then go to Japan for 6-12 months to study there.

As Ashton said it's crucial to learn Kana first and then the language itself.
I began with a romanji training book, but this will get you nowhere in the long term.
You'll soon confuse all the letters and you can't read Japanese texts, too.

My tips:
- Learn Kana first - maybe buy a Japanese manga to have an inducement.
- Learn, learn, learn and also write. It'll be lots of effort, but if you're dedicated to it, you'll succeed in the end.
- Watch anime or/and Japanese MADs. Try to hear words you've already learned!
- If you feel comfortable with the language then, begin to learn Kanji - at least the minimum of 2,100 ! (The most frustrating thing because you have to put almost the same effort into it as in learning Japanese itself).
- Get yourself various Japanese media - manga, newspaper, texts, audio - that comply with your state of knowledge.

I myself learned most of my English from computer games and via the internet (I'm from Germany, you know). Unfortunately Japanese isn't that common, e.g. you'll hardly find Japanese speaking people on ICQ and webpages are mostly written in Kanji, so beginners can't read them.

Having Japanese lessons is still the best way to learn it, but if you haven't the possiblilty to do so, ask people who already learned it autodidacticly for good books or simply search amazon.com for good references!

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Post by Alucard_FoN » Wed Feb 05, 2003 9:55 am

danielwang wrote:True, phoenetically it is in fact c^hi.

Really, under the phoenetic table it goes under ti, but because of the phoenetic verbal pronounciation system it is re-encoded as c^hi.

*blink* you know japanese? cool. I have most hiragana (3-5 left) and half the katakana, and I've translated almost half the application for a NTT DoCoMo subscription! YAY!
I only know a small bit. I know most of the hiragana and some katakana, and like 2 kanji characters, and I have a little bit of vocabulary.

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Post by Lyrs » Wed Feb 05, 2003 10:34 am

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