what religion are u?

nailz · Post by **nailz** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 1:04 pm

tacooe wrote:have you ever considered that it's the opposite, how about keeping an open mind.

When I constantly read "I grew up in a christian house, now I'm athiest" no, I don't consider it's the opposite, whatever opposite you're refering to. Logically, it's nothing more than a stupid act of rebellion, and 9 times out of 10, these 'social misfits' don't have any reason for claiming the religion is bullshit. Most, however, are quick to point out the flaws of the institution.

MistyCaldwell · Post by **MistyCaldwell** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:14 pm

tacooe · Post by **tacooe** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:16 pm

I can't believe you used the term 'social misfits', it makes you sound really grey but that's not the point.

I myself was brought up in a Christian family and I wouldn't consider myself a christian. I have come to realise I don't need some representative or institution to insure the devinity of my soul, I believe that as long as I am comfortable doing something that it's fair enough becasue I and most people have an integral sense of morality and I listen to it whether I want to or not. Personally I don't like the idea of Christianity, it doesn't sit right, especially catholicism, they are ambiguous and arrogant. They say everything is open for interpretation but only one is really accepted as true. They say accept other peoples religion but we are really right, they're wrong, pity them they're our neighbours.

My original comment wasn't meant too seriously, it's just that your comment was so self-confident, I had to say something.

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:32 pm

nailz1000 wrote:
tacooe wrote:have you ever considered that it's the opposite, how about keeping an open mind.
When I constantly read "I grew up in a christian house, now I'm athiest" no, I don't consider it's the opposite, whatever opposite you're refering to. Logically, it's nothing more than a stupid act of rebellion, and 9 times out of 10, these 'social misfits' don't have any reason for claiming the religion is bullshit. Most, however, are quick to point out the flaws of the institution.

I grew up in a christian house and I don't believe in shit. See like you were saying, my parents gave up on the church, so sicne they don't go I've enerv really been. According to naturalism, your whole life depends on your society. I grew up in institutions, not churches. I've been taught science and medicine, not god and miracles. I think I've been to church like twice in my whole life and I hated it. Cuz when you don't believe, some preacher making himself look like a total jack ass praising god and the good life looks quite retarded. Because here's something your pretty sure doesn't exist, you have no good reason to believe in it or motivation, yet here's some old guy throwinghis whole life and beleifs into. It's like watching some one tell you Santa Claus is real, you just can't sit there and watch a grown adult feed you that bullshit, Santa's not real, you know it, and yet here they come back and back again telling you it's true and why. I just can't listen to preachers or preists about religion, I think it's all bull.

I compare Jesus, to Nicholas. Saint Nick (Santa Claus) told children if they were good they'd get presents. He motivated children to be better people. Jesus told people about heaven, motivating not just children but everyone to be better people, in reward of life in heaven after they died. I believe both people were real and existed, but neither one of them was any more than mortals. Christianity to me is simpley the biggest most extensive fairy tale ever told to man, BY man.

You see, you can't just assume that because some one grew up in a house full of christian believers that they themselves were raised christian. Like I just explained, institutions raised me, not churches. Even though i was in a christian house I have no good reason to believe in God or heaven.

Flint the Dwarf · Post by **Flint the Dwarf** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:33 pm

Yes, I'm reading all these posts too. Even though they are formulated nearly entirely on opinion. So Jace, by stating your innacurate 'opinion' that no one's reading all this because it's all conjecture makes you a hypocrite.

MistyCaldwell wrote:I like reading what flint says too, he seems pretty smart for an 18 year old.

Thanks! ^_^

MistyCaldwell wrote:When I constantly read "I grew up in a christian house, now I'm athiest" no, I don't consider it's the opposite, whatever opposite you're refering to. Logically, it's nothing more than a stupid act of rebellion, and 9 times out of 10, these 'social misfits' don't have any reason for claiming the religion is bullshit. Most, however, are quick to point out the flaws of the institution.

Nailz, at first I thought you were on to something with your point about church being the problem and not Christianity itself. But all Atheists that I know personally have a very valid reason for not believing. I mean... I'm sort of close to Christian, but I'm still quick to point out its flaws.

Keep in mind that once you state a stereotype, your argument is almost invalid right there. By calling Atheists 'social misfits,' you pretty much alienated yourself with a large group of intelligent people. And a few that just don't care so they call themselves Atheist.

klinky wrote:So I have no religion, none. I am not agnostic, I am not humanistic, I am not christian or a buddist

Yes, that's not even Atheist. But a lot of people still confuse it with Atheism.

That's why I sort of like the idea of Post-Modernism. It's not a set religion, each 'member' has his/her own interpretation of it. Generally though, they believe that anyone can get to the next life (if there is one) if they just accept something I'm assuming is pretty basic. The thing is... no one really knows what it is.

And that, right there, is the basis of this religion. Meh... it's whatever you think life is.

MistyCaldwell · Post by **MistyCaldwell** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:38 pm

flint_the_dwarf wrote:
MistyCaldwell wrote:When I constantly read "I grew up in a christian house, now I'm athiest" no, I don't consider it's the opposite, whatever opposite you're refering to. Logically, it's nothing more than a stupid act of rebellion, and 9 times out of 10, these 'social misfits' don't have any reason for claiming the religion is bullshit. Most, however, are quick to point out the flaws of the institution.

Ahh Flint! You misquoted me....I don't talk like that

That aside from the fact I would be an uberhypocrite to say such antiblasphemy....look now you've got me flustered -_-

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 4:46 pm

some one writes a small quote, maybe 5 words long out of their whole essay that grabs some one, then that person writes an essay with their opinions, and so on. People are pouring their hearts out and writing all this stuff, and only a small generlization is being read by the people replying.

I guess it was too much to say no one, but most people just arn't reading all this stuff. What I'm saying is, almost no one is really connecting at all, just constantly stating pages of their own personal opinions.

Kamoc · Post by **Kamoc** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:03 pm

and what exactly did you expect? this is the internet; don't expect many people to pour their hearts and souls out to people who may very well be 40 with a bad case of fat. ..klinky? no, kthulhu. BOTH.

anyway, i doubt very much that god's going to come down here and prove anyone wrong anyway, so why get into a heated debate that's not going to go anywhere?

Jace Tsunami · Post by **Jace Tsunami** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:12 pm

eveyr one always takes my posts as hostile and like I'm trying to start an argument. But this is how it is:

*I made a quote
*Some one questioned the quote
*I correct myself just so that EVERYONE will understand what I'm saying
*and here what could be end, people go on to argue with me.

here's a direct ranslation of this thread

*no one's really reading these posts
*I'm reading the posts
*well what I meant was most people arn't, small tibbets of stuff are leading into pages of things that most people arn't reading
*YEAH! but I'm reading all of it! and it's stupid to just say and assume people arn't reading any of this!

^so there you go. and you guys continue on to complain about how I'm making stupid comments, when the first thing I do after anything questionable is correct myself. I'm really not asking for ana rgument, I'm just making sure you guys know what I'm trying to say so it doesn't look like I'm stupid.

nailz · Post by **nailz** » Wed Jan 22, 2003 5:17 pm

tacooe wrote:I can't believe you used the term 'social misfits', it makes you sound really grey but that's not the point.

Grey? I always thought I was more like a deep blue..

I myself was brought up in a Christian family and I wouldn't consider myself a christian. I have come to realise I don't need some representative or institution to insure the devinity of my soul.

*sigh*.. once again my agrument has gone over someone's head. I never said you have to be a dogmatic to be a Christian. Actually, I don't think thats a very good way to believe anyway. As a partial christian, I believe the best Philosophy is Question Everything, and most priests would agree with me. Jesus never preached about church, or a representitive between you and God, or granting access to an external heaven. If you don't understand Christianity as it was meant to be vs. what it has become (that being, institutionalised) then there's no possible argument you can make to claim that the religion is BS. You don't believe in it, thats fine, but don't claim you have all the answers, either.

Personally I don't like the idea of Christianity, it doesn't sit right, especially catholicism, they are ambiguous and arrogant. They say everything is open for interpretation but only one is really accepted as true. They say accept other peoples religion but we are really right, they're wrong, pity them they're our neighbours.

They, them, this, that. Kill the messanger. You're arguing in my favor. Thanks.

Jace wrote:Because here's something your pretty sure doesn't exist, you have no good reason to believe in it or motivation, yet here's some old guy throwing his whole life and beleifs into.

You have no good reason not to believe in it either. Again, you're claiming to have all the answers. You're so absolutely sure there's no God, no divine power. You sound just like the people you're cirtisizing. You do understand this, right?

I compare Jesus, to Nicholas. Saint Nick (Santa Claus) told children if they were good they'd get presents. He motivated children to be better people. Jesus told people about heaven, motivating not just children but everyone to be better people, in reward of life in heaven after they died.

Actually, Jesus preached nothing of the sort. You're not even CLOSE to understanding the meanings of what Jesus taught. Do good and get into Heaven? No, thats not what he taught at all. Jesus taught how to truely love each other. It was never and will never be a bribe. You should be ashamed of your ignorance comparing it like that.

Even though i was in a christian house I have no good reason to believe in God or heaven.

No one has good reason to believe in God or Heaven. Thats why they call it Faith.

CJ wrote:But all Atheists that I know personally have a very valid reason for not believing.

Good for you. I haven't met one with a decent argument.

Keep in mind that once you state a stereotype, your argument is almost invalid right there.

Stereotypes exist for a reason. That reason is because 90% of the time, it's a true case. Here's another stereotype: Black people listen to Rap. Are you going to tell me that the majority of Black people DONT listen to rap?

By calling Atheists 'social misfits,' you pretty much alienated yourself with a large group of intelligent people.

I don't really care. If they've given it a lot of thought and time and have come up with a belief, then more power too them. And I'm not talking about "well, there's no proof that God exists, so there's no reason for me to believe" either. I mean serious THOUGHT (I don't believe you should follow ANYTHING until you've done so.) I'm not saying all Athiests are social misfits, just those who are athiests because it's the in thing to do, and I believe the majority of them fall into this catagory.