Fansub vs Legit Anime

jbone · Post by **jbone** » Mon Dec 23, 2002 7:34 pm

nailz1000 wrote:they're fansubbed and distro'd for free and no one's getitng hurt in the end.

Nobody, that is, except for the legitimate distributors who lose business to people who download the fansubs rather than buy the actual releases, and who lose further business from bootleggers who resell the fansubs and pass them off as "legitimate" materials.

Ashton · Post by **Ashton** » Mon Dec 23, 2002 10:20 pm

jbone wrote:
nailz1000 wrote:they're fansubbed and distro'd for free and no one's getitng hurt in the end.
Nobody, that is, except for the legitimate distributors who lose business to people who download the fansubs rather than buy the actual releases, and who lose further business from bootleggers who resell the fansubs and pass them off as "legitimate" materials.

No to mention the artist who made the anime. Because the market is saturated with fansubs, the North American resellerers dont believe they can make money on the series, so they refuse to buy the rights. Now no money is getting passed along to the artist. No better way to tell an artist that you like his work more than to steal food out of his mouth, thats always my mato.

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 2:42 am

Phade wrote:Hey,

The idea here is this:

Newbie: Hey, has anyone made a video like this: [insert idea that hasn't been done yet]?

Old Timer: Nope, but that's a great idea! I'll go make that video right now and release it faster than you can even capture the footage!

Newbie: D'oh!

This is what is meant by stealing other people's ideas.

Phade.

that is a rule I agree with, but then again, I was ocne a noob, and even though I can trust the peopel here at the time I didn't know if I could so you know what I did?

I kept my mouth shut.

But one thing I noticed is that the people wno make AMV's tend to never listen to other peoples idea's and stick to ones that they come up with themselves.

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 2:46 am

Ashton wrote:
jbone wrote:
nailz1000 wrote:they're fansubbed and distro'd for free and no one's getitng hurt in the end.
Nobody, that is, except for the legitimate distributors who lose business to people who download the fansubs rather than buy the actual releases, and who lose further business from bootleggers who resell the fansubs and pass them off as "legitimate" materials.
No to mention the artist who made the anime. Because the market is saturated with fansubs, the North American resellerers dont believe they can make money on the series, so they refuse to buy the rights. Now no money is getting passed along to the artist. No better way to tell an artist that you like his work more than to steal food out of his mouth, thats always my mato.

yes, but there are also a bunch of animes that are not only unlicenced, but will never be licenced and the only way to do a vid is to either downloaded footage, or an HK DVD. and neither is any more ethical than the other. I am still waiting for the bebop movie. For example. I could buy the region 2 DVD off Animenation for 100 bucks... then all I would need is a DVD player that reads region 2 DVD's and a PAL TV.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 3:24 am

Well, I'm not so sure about the PAL TV part, since Region 2 also includes Japan (which is definitely NTSC).

Anyhow, perhaps the anime companies need to be more proactive in their licensing? Considering that many good fansub groups have a two week (at most, and typically shorter) turnaround time from TV capture to Internet distribution, releasing a series months (years?) after fansub release is not a smart business idea, if fansubs do cut into profits that much.

Distro rights may have to be worked out even before the series airs in Japan, or right after, and distribution preparation would need to be sped up. If people are downloading subbed series, and it's hurting a company that much financially, then they need to release a sub only DVD, ASAP. A dub can be done later if sales look good, or as part of a special edition. Arrange for shelf space with Sam Goody, Best Buy, video rental stores, places like that.

Basically, for a while now, the anime distribution industry has had something of a monopoly, and has been lazy. The Internet (which allows for real time collaboration, as well as distribution) is changing that, and the anime distro companies need to adjust accordingly.

klinky · Post by **klinky** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 3:46 am

Most all R2 Anime DVDs are NTSC. I've yet to find a PAL R2 Anime DVD

klinky · Post by **klinky** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 3:53 am

I should say "yet to see a PAL R2 DVD from a legit Japanese distributor."

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 4:50 am

Damn, I thought that the US was the only country to use NTSC. I would have expected at least JAPAN of all countries to use PAL.

MistyCaldwell · Post by **MistyCaldwell** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 2:38 pm

Why? PAL is crappier

BogoSort · Post by **BogoSort** » Sun Jan 19, 2003 5:05 pm

MistyCaldwell wrote:Why? PAL is crappier :P

I always thought that PAL provided superior resolution compared to NTSC, even though it's at a lower frame rate. So each has its own advantages. Or am I just off my rocker and confused?