Is Technical issues outstripping Artistic issues?

[melezov]

Though some of you might think that the sacrifice is too big...

... imagine a world with no LinkenBallz and Fred Durtsts...

Well, now that you mentioned it, when we start trashing the AMVs whose sources weren't DVD, we could always hire people with "shaky mouse aiming" who would _accidently_ jump over a few titles in the cleaning process.

And by the time people figured it out and became all like "how come my Crawling Pokemon AMV got trashed and this PUNY Engel Schmengel survived" the ancestral_guardians_of_hope* would be redone via some crazed_otaku** who went through these particular legends frame by frame and reencoded to QuaTriviX.

ancestral_guardians_of_hope* = Brad DeMoss, Lee Thompson, Kevin Caldwell and (in font 3 letters, hidden between lines) Vlad G.P.

crazed_otaku** = you're reading one's post currently

[iserlohn]

I think that each and everyone of AMVs that didn't use DVDs as source should be trashed and forgotten...

While I usually refrain from flaming, I think that you're off your fscking head. DVD is *not* the be-all and end-all of video source. If you're that damn concerned about quality, get a job for an anime company and do all your work off D2/Digibeta master tapes. Even better, for older shows, get a razor blade and 35mm film stock. There is NO REASON why captured footage can't be good enough. If you know what you're doing, commercial VHS and Laserdisc caps (as well as DVD captures) can look DAMN GOOD. If I can make 8mm->LD->VHS(viacoax) look good (which I've done), anybody can. It's not that hard, and it's laziness as much as anything that pushes DVD ripping forward, esp. when you've got a guide in front of you telling you how to do it in as few steps as possible.

It will be a noble and a worthy sacrifice since DBZ DVDs are hard to acquire.

Ugh, this again. If you don't like DBZ vids, DON'T WATCH THEM. If they're at a con, deal with it, they're in the finals for a reason. Get off your high horse and realize that there are people who like DBZ. Also, your facts are wrong. All of DBZ that's aired on American TV is available on R1 DVD. The first 2 seasons may be the TV censored dub only, but they're out there, and with the right filtering they can and do look good.

Seriously though.. when was the last time you saw a 10/10 for video quality AMV whose overall sucked badly?

I've never seen a 10/10 video quality vid. That score is reserved for the professional formats listed above. I also saw a number of videos at the Otakon prescreenings which had quality A/V but were just boring as hell. Just because a video is a DVD rip and knows what they're doing videowise doesn't mean they can reach an audience. I'm as guilty of this as anyone and admit it fully. Without a solid concept, Read <a href=http://www.a-m-v.org/guides/avtech31/>ErMaC & AbsoluteDestiny's Friendly AMV Guides</a> is useless.

Interesting, eh? Becouse I can't recall any..

See prior.

[iserlohn]

argh, forgot to say let's see if the bbcode works this time...and it does. if a mod would like to fix and delete this message go ahead, if not, so it goes.

[melezov]

I forgot to say that I was deadly serious about all this quality stuff.

Yup, no "just kidding"s here.

Sheesh... chill man.

PS: Oh, btw, captured footage can't look good becouse we all know you can't capture footage at a framerate more then 15 fps. And that's a fact.

Muragahahhaha

[klinky]

I forgot to say that I was deadly serious about all this quality stuff.

Yup, no "just kidding"s here.

Sheesh... chill man.

PS: Oh, btw, captured footage can't look good becouse we all know you can't capture footage at a framerate more then 15 fps. And that's a fact.

Muragahahhaha

You must be using a really shitty capture card then O_O.

As for me video kwality isn't that super important. I made quite a few shitty looking videos.

However it gets done, if the video is good enough in concept, then it can always be re-done later with better footage. But a crystal clear video with a bad concept is pretty much garbage.


~klinky

[melezov]

Shitty capture card? Are you sure about this?

I've got >> VOODOO 5500 <<, okay??

It's got Fullscreen Altialiasing, man! And 64 Mbs of conventional memory!

[trythil]

Shitty capture card? Are you sure about this?

I've got >> VOODOO 5500 <<, okay??

It's got Fullscreen Altialiasing, man! And 64 Mbs of conventional memory!

I think it's safe to say that he doesn't know what he's talking about, or just has a really bad sense of humor.

Yes, it is possible to use video-in as an OpenGL texture source, but I've only seen that done on SGI graphics chipsets, since that appearently never made it to any PC chipset.

Even if it did, there's absolutely no reason to do that for any serious video capture work.

[melezov]

Okay, okay, let's end this little deviation by confirming that everything I said was utterly wrong and insignificant.

I'm extremely sorry for my tasteless bad humor it was given to me by my father when he gave me a birth. Something like that.

I'm also sorry for contributing to mass confusion amongst any potential newbies who witnessed this meaningless sharade.

You rule and I suck.

If you like I can send you a candy bar as an apology.

Deadly serious.
I've done it before - it always smoothens things.

[rubyeye]

Technology and Art are two sides of the same coin. Given the medium of video/film, you practically need an (rudimentary) understanding of both fields to do anything decent. It shouldn't come as no surprise that as technology advances, and people get better/newer equipment and software, there will be discussions and questions about HOW to DO 'this and that'.

Just as it seems like the End of The World is at hand - because of the constant media attention to War in the Middle East (again) - so too does it seem like everyone on this forum has some kind of question about Premiere/After Effects/or what have you. *Myself Included*

In going over "A & E's Tech Guide to AMVs", I learned that this is a two (or three) step process:

First, learn and understand the mechanics of editing such as the programs - setting them up and how they work.

Next, after preparing/ripping footage, begin editing. *This is where the creativity begins*

Finally, output final product. This may require referencing the guide again.

Of course, the creativity doesn't stop there. Once you get feedback from viewers, the process can start all over again.

It's an endless cycle where Technology and "Art" overlap one another.

[iserlohn]

Melezov wrote:

It's got Fullscreen Altialiasing, man! And 64 Mbs of conventional memory

So? I have one of the cheapest TV cards out there, but I can do 29.97 without dropping frames easily. My guess is you don't know how to configure your setup.

Melezov also wrote:

If you like I can send you a candy bar as an apology.

Thanks, but I'd rather you grew up and did some research before you posted instead. This benefits everybody instead of one person desiring a snack at someone else's expense.

Then, Trythil wrote:

Even if it did, there's absolutely no reason to do that for any serious video capture work

To which I reply:
OK. You find me LoGH season 4 on DVD. Legit, please, as I've seen what nasty compression can do to this show. Don't got 2K for the DVD box? Oh look, here's the LDs for a much more affordable $225. How about Hana Yori Dango TV? And I want that scene where she's crying into the camera screaming "baka baka baka" without having to artificially matte it. The only way to get that is on rental VHS. See, the truth is that there's still stuff that you can't buy on DVD and stuff so old or rare that HK "companies" can't find it to put out. You younguns are so spoiled nowadays.

Of course, if everybody just used the hot new title we wouldn't have this problem because it would be available in DivX, HK, R2, and R1 DVD so you could have your choice of digital formats. Then again, I'd rather be creative and play around a bit more with my ideas. As a professor of mine once said, "I refuse to let a publishing company decide what I will teach in my class." He then passed out photocopies of books that had been out of print for 15 years. I feel the same about AMV and the DVD companies.