AWA 2016 The Video Art Track - Deadlines SEP 4 & SEP 13 [EXTENDED]

[Dext3r]

Personally I didn't include a parody category because given there was the trailer category I figured we were putting all the AMV trailers in that category.

Meanwhile the only parody I came across IMO was the parody of that pooping commercial. All the trailers I thought were meant to be taken seriously, whereas I personally would consider a parody something that wasn't as serious. If the intention is to include the trailers in the parody category, then there should just be a parody category, with no trailers.

But then a funny parody like the pooping commercial might just win out over all the trailers because it's funny and the trailer makers complain.

So you see my issue...

I had a trailer last year like others and the category was parody.

Yeah but this year everyone voted trailers instead.

Which still leaves room for the pooping commercial to win in a category like comedy. I just think when you see a trailers category, you think "yeah all the AMV trailers should go in that;" and then you have parody which seemingly makes trailer category a subset of parody category that also includes things like the pooping commercial, which doesn't help it make a whole lot of sense.

There's also the fact that parody, as it is defined on google is "an imitation of the style of a particular writer, artist, or genre with deliberate exaggeration for comic effect."

I'm not saying this is the only definition, but specifically this implies that it is supposed to have a funny aspect to it. So those trailers that are super serious but the source anime is completely silly would fit in. But all of them this year? Not a single one came across to me as trying to be funny.

Just my two cents.

[Dext3r]

Personally I didn't include a parody category because given there was the trailer category I figured we were putting all the AMV trailers in that category.

Meanwhile the only parody I came across IMO was the parody of that pooping commercial. All the trailers I thought were meant to be taken seriously, whereas I personally would consider a parody something that wasn't as serious. If the intention is to include the trailers in the parody category, then there should just be a parody category, with no trailers.

But then a funny parody like the pooping commercial might just win out over all the trailers because it's funny and the trailer makers complain.

So you see my issue...

I had a trailer last year like others and the category was parody.

Like here we go: this is a perfect example of a trailer music video that would fit perfectly in parody (it's highly technical but you get the point): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAxFjVCkpRY

[ngsilver]

I could go a little deeper on this but then it would get too personal for me and it's really nobody's business. I don't really have a solution for this situation either.

This is really why I wanted to bring it up. I don't really care why you don't like it, and honestly why doesn't really matter. While I am strongly against censorship and as such will always fight for the artistic merit in adult content (while also realize that the majority is really more about shock and cheap thrills and less really about art) I also want to come up with a solution that doesn't force others to be uncomfortable. I respect your dislike and anyone else's wish to not watch and as such not vote. It's just in a system where we are trying to bring the direction to allow such videos to compete on the same level as everything else that it causes some unfairness to enter in. Though even with that when such an entry does win it just shows that said video is just that much stronger, but the unfairness does remain.

So really the question is what is the solution to make things fair for both sides, or at least the best compromise. I'm the type the prefers to brainstorm ideas, see what sticks, and then go from there. I'm not sure what is best at this point for this so getting more opinions would be great as it'd help me decide what the better option in the end would be.

I don't have a hat in the Pro ring this year but regarding the subject of adult videos...what if the weight of the votes was adjusted? Like declare at the point of submission whether you are qualified/capable of judging adult content and agree that your vote may be worth slightly less if you don't/can't watch them all and slightly more if you do? By how much would have to depend on the number of entrants and the ratio of adult viewers to non-adult viewers.

Unfortunately I can't put my money where my mouth is. I can figure out the math but I can't create the tool.

This is a potential option. Though with weighting votes based on ability/willingness to view/vote adult material it almost seems like it could be punishing those that don't vote for adult stuff by making their vote count for less. Perhaps the equation can be fairly expressed, I just don't know what that'd look like right now. I'm also trying to see both sides and play a little devils advocate so yeah.


Either way, I really do wonder what others actually think about this subject and what we could do regarding it. If this is our contest to shape and mold as we wish more input and discourse can help us make this better and raise that bar as Jingoro says.

[MaboroshiStudio]

Personally I didn't include a parody category because given there was the trailer category I figured we were putting all the AMV trailers in that category.

Meanwhile the only parody I came across IMO was the parody of that pooping commercial. All the trailers I thought were meant to be taken seriously, whereas I personally would consider a parody something that wasn't as serious. If the intention is to include the trailers in the parody category, then there should just be a parody category, with no trailers.

But then a funny parody like the pooping commercial might just win out over all the trailers because it's funny and the trailer makers complain.

So you see my issue...

I had a trailer last year like others and the category was parody.

Like here we go: this is a perfect example of a trailer music video that would fit perfectly in parody (it's highly technical but you get the point): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAxFjVCkpRY

You might be missing my point... Last year people voted for trailer as well and it was changed last year (as far as I know) to parody. In regards to parody you are banking on that subject matter in the audio and this is very clear with most all parodies. An original trailer is what I meant by serious...

Either what happened last year was unfair or the category should be parody this year as well I am fine either way but I feel it should be consistent moving forward that is all.

[MaboroshiStudio]

Also for the record as much as I can understand / argue both sides of the argument... I felt it should have been trailer last year and probably trailer again this year. Then again I am conflicted in regards to it... I mean I see Into the Lingerie as a parody... and I also help run an AMV contest in Nashville.

[jingoro]

Ending today was a mistake... I was surprised myself when I went to close things last night and woah, it's not the 12th. Sorry about that.

[Dext3r]

Also for the record as much as I can understand / argue both sides of the argument... I felt it should have been trailer last year and probably trailer again this year. Then again I am conflicted in regards to it... I mean I see Into the Lingerie as a parody... and I also help run an AMV contest in Nashville.

But not everyone is going to see "Into the Lingerie" as a parody because not everyone is going to get the reference.

I didn't even know "Into the Labyrinth" existed until someone else pointed it out to me.

[jingoro]

I simply can't appreciate the subject matter. It's not that I refuse because of religious or moral reasons (granted people who know me know I have a regular church I attend, but I don't believe watching a hentai video will send me to hell ), I just find it distracting and I can't appreciate a video that constantly shoves boobs and crotch in my face regardless if the video deserves an unbiased technical merit. It would never receive a Best Video vote from me because subject matter is key to deserve it. Am I saying "adult" videos don't deserve Best Video awards? No, if everyone else gives it a thumbs up then of course it deserves it.

I actually agree with you, and me refusing to play crotch-in-the-face videos in the past (outside of adult hours) has started many a conversation with some editors and I.

[jingoro]

Personally I didn't include a parody category because given there was the trailer category I figured we were putting all the AMV trailers in that category.

Meanwhile the only parody I came across IMO was the parody of that pooping commercial. All the trailers I thought were meant to be taken seriously, whereas I personally would consider a parody something that wasn't as serious. If the intention is to include the trailers in the parody category, then there should just be a parody category, with no trailers.

But then a funny parody like the pooping commercial might just win out over all the trailers because it's funny and the trailer makers complain.

So you see my issue...

The trouble here is that a Parody category that excludes trailers has only one entry in it... thus a very good video has no category to compete in. We NEED very broadly applicable categories... where that one "true" parody amidst a bunch of trailers can say "I was nominated!" and be proud of it, rather than "I showed up and got a piece of glass because I was the only one".

[jingoro]

I don't have a hat in the Pro ring this year but regarding the subject of adult videos...what if the weight of the votes was adjusted? Like declare at the point of submission whether you are qualified/capable of judging adult content and agree that your vote may be worth slightly less if you don't/can't watch them all and slightly more if you do? By how much would have to depend on the number of entrants and the ratio of adult viewers to non-adult viewers.

I can't imagine how to actually enforce a "your vote is weighted based on how many of the nominees in this category you /claim/ to have actually watched". It'd be a disaster, IMO.