DDR2 DVD

[The Non-Professional]

I think ima have to side with tommy, he seems like hes never cut any slack and gets pushed in the gutter most of the time. Im all up for him doing a rival DDR project id join it, if he needs editor ask the Mission Improbabl people, hell if you ask Danny Cloud BG and klinky it could BE MI 2, at lest this kinda project gives the Common editors a chace to be on a DDR project. If tommy thinks he can do it better, then when a DDR higher up person says "no" to him his only respons should be "fuck off". I dont know if im saying or doing the right thing here (I came in kinda late) but im just voicing an opinion. (mods beter not mod this)

[Ashton]

I think ima have to side with tommy, he seems like hes never cut any slack and gets pushed in the gutter most of the time. Im all up for him doing a rival DDR project id join it, if he needs editor ask the Mission Improbabl people, hell if you ask Danny Cloud BG and klinky it could BE MI 2, at lest this kinda project gives the Common editors a chace to be on a DDR project. If tommy thinks he can do it better, then when a DDR higher up person says "no" to him his only respons should be "fuck off". I dont know if im saying or doing the right thing here (I came in kinda late) but im just voicing an opinion. (mods beter not mod this)

Its stuff like this that is leading me to believe that there is a deep rift being driven into the comunity, dividing all of the active members into two groups: the older generation that is already well established and has been doing their thing "since before most of you cared" type, and the kind that joined after seeing this first groups work and deciding to give it their own go. I would say that I definately fall into this second group, but it seems that some people (especially from the second group) have decided to demonize the other group. Maybe not...
If there were a second DDR project I would DEFINATELY join. I choose to not be part of the new DDR project or the raffle, not because Im not interested in being part of a DDR project, but because I believe that group already has its whole situation figured out. Just the fact that they have a raffle means that they dont NEED any more editors to be interested. But were there a new project, I would feel very interested in cultivating it FROM THE START and establishing something new and buding that way. Anyway, Im interested.

[Jebadia]

indeed

[AbsoluteDestiny]

Its stuff like this that is leading me to believe that there is a deep rift being driven into the comunity, dividing all of the active members into two groups: the older generation that is already well established and has been doing their thing "since before most of you cared" type, and the kind that joined after seeing this first groups work and deciding to give it their own go. I would say that I definately fall into this second group, but it seems that some people (especially from the second group) have decided to demonize the other group.

That's bull... I was in DDR2 and was sworn at by Tommy in his recent rant, yet he's made videos for longer than I have. It's not a matter of old vs new schoolers.

I've only ever experienced courtesy and mutual appreciation in real life amongst amv makers but there are a lot of people who presume that others are stuck up, arrogant, etc etc. If that's what people want to think, then that's their own problem but having met all these people I know it's not generally the case.

I was open to Tommy's DDR ideas until he started calling everyone names and being generally insulting to people who worked incredibly hard. The fact is that everyone on this project worked damn hard within their own work restrictions to get videos made... and I for one think they came out pretty well. There might not be the best videos inthe amv world ever, but given crappy songs and tricky deadlines they were cool videos.

Working on the DDR project is not some amv equivalent of the knights of the round table with King Demoss. The first project was done by friends, but that's natural - especially given the size of the amv community at the time. The second one was done by those who worked their hardest on the first one and some others that were recruited because they were trusted to do a good job - this is especially true of the backup creators who had to fill in at the very last minute and even Tommy admitted that the Turboneko guys and Mike and Meri did great jobs.

Next year's DDR contains the most reliable from ddr2 and 9 lucky lottery winners. It's not elitist, it's just practicality - you cant have people not make their video when you've got to show it to hundreds of people the next day.

As for "Thou shalt not do a DDR project", let's not have this discussion again. It was never that black and white - Tommy chose a one that was already being worked on for direct competition and it fell through due to lack of support and organisation. Given the sucess of projects such as NES and Improbable I can only presume that this failure was due to either a lack of organisational skills or not eeryone agreeing that having a competing project is a good thing. Certainly the amv community is perfectly happy to enrole in exciting new projects - it's nothing to do with some fantastical heirarchy.

In the end (no pun intended), Tommy is entitled to his opinion but I wont sit around and read how, because things havent gone his way, that this suddenly turns the hard working amv makers in the DDR project into bad elitist scum. Not only is it plain incorrect but it insults a lot of very good natured people who just make some videos for fun.

If there is any divide in the amv world it is this one: There are those who think amv making is a popularity contest and there are those who don't. Having met the makers of the ddr projects, I can definitely put them in the latter.

[dokidoki]

Working on the DDR project is not some amv equivalent of the knights of the round table with King Demoss.

Ni!

[Jebadia]

NO!!!!...don't say...that..word...aaahhhhh...my ears.....

*Ni*

AaaaHHHHHhhhhhhh!!!!

[Jebadia]

Anywho, I've only seen one video from the DDR2 project so far, and I'll probably get the dvd when I have the money, dispite what anyone says. Projects like these are fun to watch if you take the time to enjoy it and not nit pic at it thinking you could of done better.

[paizuri]

Not to beat up on you or anything Ashton, but you have a nice post to quote.

Its stuff like this that is leading me to believe that there is a deep rift being driven into the comunity, dividing all of the active members into two groups: the older generation that is already well established and has been doing their thing "since before most of you cared" type, and the kind that joined after seeing this first groups work and deciding to give it their own go. I would say that I definately fall into this second group, but it seems that some people (especially from the second group) have decided to demonize the other group. Maybe not...

People that think that there are these major "groups" are alienating themselves. If you don't feel like you're a part of anything (and I'm talking about people in general), then maybe you should go out and meet some of these people that you feel are so "elitist". It's easy to imagine all sorts of bad things about people when you don't meet them. And if you can't, hell just talk to them online. If you drop whatever sort of resentment you hold against them when you talk to them, I bet you'll find out that most people are pretty reasonable (unless they are assholes, of course).

If there were a second DDR project I would DEFINATELY join. I choose to not be part of the new DDR project or the raffle, not because Im not interested in being part of a DDR project, but because I believe that group already has its whole situation figured out. Just the fact that they have a raffle means that they dont NEED any more editors to be interested. But were there a new project, I would feel very interested in cultivating it FROM THE START and establishing something new and buding that way. Anyway, Im interested.

Actually, Joey Snackpants is starting/has started a Disney DDR project. I don't know much about it other than that though.

[dokidoki]

AM-3P: DANCING GUNDAMS! ON DANCE PADS! This vid is pretty damn awesome. The song, the synch, the effects.. just everything. It's GREAT.

I'm glad I gave it to Scott. (DDR2 editors got two tracks, and could hand one off. I happened to be emailing him at the time and asked him about it)

SP-Trip Machine: FOr a video that uses almost nothing but still images and some random dancing people, this is pretty fucking kick ass. WAY better than Tim's previous video in the first project, which had a tremendous amount of footage, but was just.. boring...

Hey, thanks. Reaction has been mixed, but I'm glad somebody likes it.

I've picked another near-instrumental track for DDR3, so I get to shoot myself in the foot again. I'll try to not use so many stills this time though.

[Zerophite]

Tommy - Instead of belittling everyone, try saying what you WOULD HAVE DONE BETTER. If you can't, then just shut up. Out of all my time in this community, you're the only one that's been negatively opinionated. Your comments weren't only full of ignorance, but proved absolutely nothing, and didn't get any sort of message across except that you are a whiny little brat. Grow up.

I just can't wait to be here for the moment when you realize how childish and ignorant you truely are. HA!