I just have to know...

[JaddziaDax]

I never said to give him ideas, I said to give him DIRECTION. There's a difference between handing the guy ideas, and basically back seat editing, and giving him a few nudges in the right direction. While it might not be my JOB, I wouldn't mind if we managed to get tone down that "99% of all AMVs Suck" attitude that floats around the internet by helping our fellow editors get a start in the right direction to IMPROVE. It's better than telling him he sucks and should die in a fire for gracing us with his link that we didn't have to watch in the first place.

Or you know, you could save yourself even more time, not watch his video and not say anything.

You know, I actually like watching good amvs, and I know several people that if they didn't get nudged/encouraged at the right time they might still be making noob videos.

[edit]Besides, I don't give that level of critique unless directly asked. (or prompted to give an example as in this case). I may poke a line and say "You know you can improve here, if you want more detail on that, ask me" and if they ask, then I might go into it. I know better than to waste my time on every single nooby amv that comes up.

But when all you do is tell the editor how forgettable their video is, you aren't helping much or giving a valuable critique either.

[Leader Desslock]

From what I'm reading, Leader Desslock, the only person being near mature on those threads is you, and even then your tone is dripping in condescension.

Yeah, but once you get to know me, you'll realize that almost everything I ever post drips with condescension. I'm a drippy guy.

I also read comments about stopping the trolling in there. The last thread seems to be nothing but trolling.

The comments about trolling in the third thread are directed to the person posting the AMV. They're saying "are you just trolling AN by posting these terrible videos?"

[BasharOfTheAges]

Even though I'm often of the opinion that most garbage isn't worth my time, I agree with JaddziaDax's sentiment. If nobody takes the time to suck it up and respond in a detailed manner (detailed initial response to the video, covering both technical aspects and mood citing examples, not a petty point-by-point rebuttal of their response posts) every once in a while, your whole group will (rightly) be seen as actively hostile towards people that post there, and are just as much to blame for the blow-outs as their inability to take criticism. You can't all be that way all the time and expect more than what you got. Someone needs to put in the effort.

[SilkAMV]

I just made a video and got a few comments on it. When CodeZTM gave me feedback, you know what i said?

THANK YOU

Was that so hard? I mean thy took time out of their day to sit down and watch your shit and even bothered to post a response to it. THAT ALONE MERITS SOME GRATITUDE AT LEAST.

/rant

The difference here is that Desslock did not watch the whole video.

Did not like. The musical selection was decent, but I thought the video editing was a largely incoherent pile of scenes tossed on top of some music. I didn't make it very far before I closed the window, so... maybe it improves as it goes on. I don't know, and what I saw at the beginning made me not want to find out.

So, I don't really think he should have said anything. If I want to rip a video to pieces, I make sure to watch the whole thing first. Prime example:

http://blip.tv/justinpresberry/colors-amv-3545092

That horror is 65 minutes long. I could barely stand a single minute of it, but I knew that the best way to get the editor to take me seriously would be to watch it in its entirety. By the time I was done, I was certainly entitled to crush it to dust for the hour of agony I had just experienced. No, the editor did not appreciate my opinion, but he was unable to say that I didn't know what I was talking about. So, if you can't be bothered to watch a mere few minutes of tripe then you shouldn't be surprised when your feedback is rejected.

[Ikore]

I knew that the best way to get the editor to take me seriously would be to watch it in its entirety.

you are a monster


so I guess the main problem is just that people instead of asking for critical feeback, should ask "hey! did you like my amv? it got anime and sparkles"

[JaddziaDax]

I also read comments about stopping the trolling in there. The last thread seems to be nothing but trolling.

The comments about trolling in the third thread are directed to the person posting the AMV. They're saying "are you just trolling AN by posting these terrible videos?"

Actually no, it was in the first thread:

You know, we really **** around with new people to much. Just like Panda getting raped in the OT forum in his thread...keep your opinion, but let's be a little less harsh.

Of course the end of the comment wasn't helpful to the editor, but this was the comment that got my attention. Seems you guys like messing around with n00bs over there, or at least it gave me that impression.

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"hey! did you like my amv? it got anime and sparkles"

I know a couple videos like that >.>

[gotegenks]

Or you know, you could save yourself even more time, not watch his video and not say anything.

what do you do after you've already seen it? not say anything. I'd rather have any comment than no comment. I wouldn't like one of the comments you think the Org gives or you think that AN gave though, but they dont/didn't give anything like that.

[edit]Besides, I don't give that level of critique unless directly asked. (or prompted to give an example as in this case). I may poke a line and say "You know you can improve here, if you want more detail on that, ask me" and if they ask, then I might go into it. I know better than to waste my time on every single nooby amv that comes up.

But when all you do is tell the editor how forgettable their video is, you aren't helping much or giving a valuable critique either.

all you said was "you should tell him HOW to fix it" (editors should get their own ideas) and "this is how i would have done it and how you should have done it" [longasshitessayaboutvideo] (THAT'S TOO MUCH to be a standard comment)

They said some nice things anyway. Not much, but a little goes a long way. If the nice things they said were ALL they said, the editor probably would have LOVED THE HELL out of those comments and replied much friendlier. He just couldn't take the criticisms given to him, and i doubt he would have taken the criticisms you "gave" to him. None of them just said "it was forgettable" either, you're right, that is not a big help or a valuable critique!

[Emong]

My absolute favourite type of constructive criticism can be found on youtube, comments of this form:

"Nice vid. Check out my video of [insert anime/movie/artist/band/song here]. The link is in my profile."

We here on the .org should learn from this

[Ileia]

My absolute favourite type of constructive criticism can be found on youtube, comments of this form:

"Nice vid. Check out my video of [insert anime/movie/artist/band/song here]. The link is in my profile."

We here on the .org should learn from this

Nice post! Check out my post about funny conversations that I've had. You can find it by searching my posts in my profile.

[Ikore]

"Nice vid. Check out my video of [insert anime/movie/artist/band/song here]. The link is in my profile."

once, I did that with Sierra Lorna... she never replied.