STOP what you are doing and read my rant.

Pwolf · Post by **Pwolf** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:12 am

This rant stems from many years of participating in active conversation and lurking in the shadows watching other discussions and arguments (also lack of sleep). Recent discussions involving the website redesign, certain members being more vocal recently, and the VCAs/JCAs have pushed me over the edge.

I was pretty ticked off the other day when Nya was in the IRC chatroom talking about "internationalizing" the JCAs. I then get on the forums tonight and see people complaining about results because they think another community should have better representation in the JCAs. Their views about AMVs are different then the org's so the VCAs/JCAs results suck. STOP! JUST STOP!

The VCAs and JCAs serve only the animemusicvideos.org community and nothing else. I don't care if you're Russian, French, Japanese, European or American. I don't care if you belong to any other amv related community. The VCAs is what the org does every year to attempt to recognize all those who submit their videos to it's databases. The JCAs were created to present a different viewpoint by selecting a panel of judges to vote for the videos rather then the user base. Those judges voted on by the user base. Both contests do not try to appoint the best video ever created. The VCAs and JCAs serve no other purpose and don't try to appease the other communities that exist. They shouldn't have to. The org is not the amv community...

Let me repeat that...

THE ORG IS NOT THE AMV COMMUNITY!

Do i need to type that out again? I don't know what caused people to think this over the years but it never was and never will be. And it shouldn't for the very reason people are complaining about the results of the org's contest. The org is a resource. It just happens to have a community built around it. Just like AMVNews is a resource with a community built around it. Just like Youtube is a resource with a community (or communities) built around it. They are not connected to each other other then the fact that one member of one community may just happen to be a member of another and we share resources. The org is big but that doesn't mean it should cater to the whim of another community because they don't like how it's run or the results of their annual contest.

So, if you don't like the results because the particular community you like to frequent didn't get a fair say in the results, you're arguing over something that doesn't need to be argued. Your community doesn't deserve representation. This contest wasn't for that community, it was for the org, get over it. If the people of that community were more active in this community then their views would be heard more. This is why there are different communities to begin with. We all have different opinions and views.

While still on the subject of "The org is not the amv community" i ask everyone to stop acting like it is. I see people using the "org is the community" "fact" far too many times to make a point and they are wrong. WRONG. There is nothing anyone can say that would prove the org "is the community". It just isn't so stop thinking it is. The org is a community within the whole, it is not the whole (albeit a big piece of it). If you don't like how it's run, hows it's contests are run, or the rules it lays out, there are others for you join, pick one.

*shakes cane and wanders off*

dreamawake · Post by **dreamawake** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 6:51 am

Pwolf wrote: While still on the subject of "The org is not the amv community" i ask everyone to stop acting like it is. I see people using the "org is the community" "fact" far too many times to make a point and they are wrong. WRONG. There is nothing anyone can say that would prove the org "is the community". It just isn't so stop thinking it is. The org is a community within the whole, it is not the whole (albeit a big piece of it). If you don't like how it's run, hows it's contests are run, or the rules it lays out, there are others for you join, pick one.

*shakes cane and wanders off*

I agree with most of what you said. However, the org being as big and popular and well known as it is, I think it's safe to say this IS the community for amv editors. Majority has quite a bit of weight here, but you're right, the community shouldn't cater to other countries/communities ways. Making suggestions and voicing your opinion is always fine and good though, and I willl always speak when I don't like how something is done.

Nice post Scott.

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:13 am

Well put, Pwolf.

Nya-chan Production · Post by **Nya-chan Production** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 7:53 am

Pwolf wrote:rant

I feel obliged to reply now, look what have you done :>

I agree with most of the stuff you said - JCAs should stay within the Org community and they should be Org driven only. OTOH, something on a larger scale would probably help for interaction between communities. And I agree with godix that anything involving other communities should be completely separate from VCAs and JCAs.

And I never said that the Org was THE community, and I never saw anyone thinking that as well. In these discussions the Org was always considered as ONE of the communities (mainly North American with some foreigners mixed in), because it IS.

Ingow · Post by **Ingow** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:17 am

Let's just unite as one giant community, start a world war and conquer shit.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 8:29 am

THERE IS NO COMMUNITY!

BasharOfTheAges · Post by **BasharOfTheAges** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 9:34 am

Castor Troy wrote:THERE IS NO COMMUNITY!

Out of curiosity, what would you call this place then? Do you have to play with semantics and split hairs to come up with an answer?

On the original topic - referring to something as "THE X" (where 'the' is pronounced more like 'thee') implies "The best X" or "The only X that matters" - a very American way of seeing things. It's advertising speech. Everyone realizes News Center XYZ isn't "The (only) place for news weather and sports" but we're told asserting that claim as a boast is okay because just about every TV station does it. It's intellectually dishonest, but so are a good number of the conversational/literary devices we employ on a daily basis. Would it be too meta to use the same ~~deflecting tactic~~ reasoning of "cultural differences" to explain this attitude?

godix · Post by **godix** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:23 am

I don't know why Nya and I talking about an 'international' contest started this. The very idea of that sort of contest is to be cross community and to draw people together who enjoy the same hobby. Nya and I were disagreeing on some things, but the fact we were having the conversation at all means we both are well aware there is far more to AMVs than just the org.

Castor Troy · Post by **Castor Troy** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:25 am

Don't fight the community. BE THE COMMUNITY.

JudgeHolden · Post by **JudgeHolden** » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:39 am

Pfft ... the JCAs lost their luster after the first one. Nothing will ever live up to the war of posters between me and godix.

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