Grave of the Fireflies.

Timelessblurr · Post by **Timelessblurr** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:47 pm

just though you all might like to know the Nagasaki was not the primary taget for the seacon A-bomb the primiry target started with a K I believe (I do nto feel like spending and hour finding the book that has the primary tagets name). That mission had problem from the get go. Nagasaki was the seaconday target. Also when the bomb was drop they did not really know what part of the town they were droping it on because of the clouds the bombdare saw an opening in the clouds and say the city. then he drop the bomb. The were not going to land the plane with the bomb in it. they were going to drop it on something. But when they land that had less the 8 gallon of full left which was not enoguh to make a seacon pass if they missed the landing.

now back to the topic I never seen this anime what is it about

KenShimazu · Post by **KenShimazu** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:52 pm

Korean comfort women, the rape of Nanking, mistreatment of POWs, as well as other war crimes can be attributed to the Japanese military (and government) of that time.

no offence but, this is an extreme misconception, remember winners tell the tale, not the losers.

one of the bigger issues between China/Korea and Japan are the said above. Korean Comfort woman, the probability of this on an extreme scale as Korea puts it is absurd actually and untrue, it was more like the woman of Korea, Like post war Japan, whored out their woman for money to survive, (yes 1950's Japan there was allot of catering to the US troops by Japanese Woman) a good 2/3rds of the allegations of this nature by Korea are false.

Nanking massacre in my honest to god beleif, was done by the Chinese themselves NOT the Japanese. reasons, purely a statistical reasoning and something about a picture which i don't remember how to explain.

you take the amount of people killed in Nanking, then take the number of Japanese Occupation forces in Nanking, and take into effect that the standard military rifle of the Japanese is a 5 shot bolt action rifle. standard ammunition load of about 30 shots per soldier. what you'll get is this, every japanese soldier would have been firing their weapon at a constant x shots per minute for 3 days straight to accomplish the Nanking Massacre. As stated the standard load of one soldier was about 30, take the guys with the type 100 light machine guns (which were few and far between and probably not used in China) and the heavy machine gun, and minus the guys running around distributing ammo, still doesn't work out. hence Chinese would have been involved in it.

sorry, I just don't trust history, there's bad, but then there's exageration of what happend. Germany gets fucked after the war by people thinking at any moment they'll do it again, and Japan gets fucked through a guilts that should be labeled on them

just thought you'd might want to know

Kentaro Shimazu
K.A.T. Translations[/quote]

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:55 pm

I've read about the internment camps for Japanese Americans, and the Japanese American military units that went on to kick ass. It's impressive, and indeed admirable, that despite being mistreated they were willing to fight, and fight well, to win a war for the same government that didn't trust them, against their own people, in a sense.

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:13 am

Thank you for posting mostly factuall information and discussing the topic rather than arguing it KenShimazu. There are to few who actually discuss here.

Yes, the whoring of korean women is much more likely than the supposed rapes performed during the Nanking massacre. The targets for the A-bomb were chosen due to the fact that they were very built up and had many buildings, this was to show the power of the A-bomb. And yes, the US wanted the surrender to come swiftly, in part due to russia's stance as a world power.

There were American internment camps of Japanese, and mainly due to the fact that they could be more easilly singled out than Germans and Italians (they weren't "Anglo Americans"

). And while wrong (very wrong in my opinion), it wasn't exactlly a stallag or forced labor camp. And while many Historical events should be viewed with a speculative eye, I wouldn't go so far as to say the Nanking events were a Chinese doing.

Anyways, glad to actually discuss a serious situation with some people without getting into an argument, thanks

Timelessblurr · Post by **Timelessblurr** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:17 am

this discution kind of make you think of how some of the crap the United Stated did to japanise was bout as bad as the crap hilter did to the jews

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:28 am

uhhhhh, no. Temporary internment of a group of people from the same nationality as an enemy is not the same as mass genocide.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 12:56 am

Timelessblurr wrote:this discution kind of make you think of how some of the crap the United Stated did to japanise was bout as bad as the crap hilter did to the jews

The interment camps and past racial mistreatment that most every ethnic group in this country (including white people like the Irish, Italians, Jews, and Eastern Europeans) has gone through compares to the systematic, government endorsed genocide of millions of civilians...how?

In regards to the Nanking massacre, I hate to stir up the pot, but I doubt the Chinese government of that time(which would've been puppet controlled by Japan, anyhow - see the invasion and start of the occupation circa 1931) would murder <a href="http://www.tribo.org/nanking/">370,000 (gruesome material)</a> of its civilians for no apparent reason. Besides the "they were crazy with evil" reasoning, why would the Chinese do it?

In regards to your rifle technical data, which is pretty much correct, you left out one important feature, namely, the bayonet. The bayonet doesn't need ammo and is a good (better than bullets, really) close range weapon if you know what you're doing. You don't need to be shooting non stop with a bayonet - just run it through someone or threaten them until you can do it later. You also didn't mention the <a href="http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg114-e.htm">Nambu Type 14</a> pistol. The <a href="http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/ ... .htm">Type 100</a> was a submachine gun, and is yet another weapon that could be used by Imperial Japanese forces, as well as the <a href="http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/ ... .htm">Type 92</a> and <a href="http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/ ... .htm">Type 96</a> machine guns. Taking all of those (especially the bayonet) into account, as well as an unarmed and afraid populace, and you have the makings of a potentially very nasty slaughter. Will the Rape Of Nanking issue ever really be settled? I doubt it, but to suggest that the Chinese did it to themselves (without giving any reason WHY, too) is a callous, cold delusion, in my opinion.

CaTaClYsM · Post by **CaTaClYsM** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 1:45 am

I saw video's of japan testing their bio-warfare weapons on remote villages. The one that stands out most vividly is the one of soldiers feeding starving children chocolate laced with anthrax. Yes, you read me right, chocolate with anthrax in it.

kthulhu · Post by **kthulhu** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 2:33 am

*WARNING - VERY VERY GRAPHIC LINK. NOT FOR THOSE UNDER 18 OR THOSE WITH DELICATE SENSIBILITIES*

A <a href="http://www.fatherryan.org/holocaust/hol ... htm">photo gallery</a> of some of the atrocities committed at Nanking. Note the uniforms. Tell us again about the tens of thousands of Chinese, who killed hundreds of thousands of their own people, without stating a reason why they would do it? And with proof beyond "a statistical reasoning and something about a picture which i don't remember how to explain", and your honest to God belief, perhaps?

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Fri Dec 13, 2002 2:38 am

Dude, the guy was smoking a cigarete, but he didn't have a body!