The Org Redesign - What's wrong with the org?

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Re: The Org Redesign - What's wrong with the org?

Post by dokidoki » Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:21 am

Qyot27 wrote:The quick bleed-out correlates to YouTube's rise to ubiquity, but I'm not sure if the post-'08 numbers support that continuing to be a reason.
I'd like to point out the Google Trends graph for Anime Music Videos again... If you can search for them on YouTube, why search for them on Google? Unfortunately I don't think YouTube has any such graphs/statistics.

Unfortunately you can't prove much from the graph for AMV since it can mean different things, though I wonder what causes the Christmas spikes.
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Re: The Org Redesign - What's wrong with the org?

Post by Fall_Child42 » Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:41 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote:
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Zarxrax wrote: The star scale scores need to replace the top 10%, as far as being able to find top videos. There need to be many many more options. Top videos in the past 24 hours, past week, past month, etc. Top videos as rated by creators only. Top videos by genre.
I think a really good and really easy indicator for "top videos" and "Hot new videos" would be amount of views. It would be hard to break this system (like you can do with the opinion system) it would be more accurate than a 1 to 5 scale. And well I understand #of views doesn't mean "good" I also understand that good is subjective and a video that nobody likes won't get the amount of plays as a popular one simply because there will be no word of mouth. Hopefully some other things will take care of those "hidden gems" things like Mods video of the week, or some sort of series of review threads on the forums.
Actually, unless they redesign the code to log IPs, the number of views is the most easily gamed metric we (or any website for that matter) track. Step 1 - log out, step 2 - F5, step 3 - goto step 2. You can even make scripts that do several instances of the same window on each page and refreshes them every few seconds for as many hours as you need to. This is how youtube contests based on views are gamed. It's so common there are tutorials on how to write the scripts so that any moron can do it.
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Re: The Org Redesign - What's wrong with the org?

Post by Corran » Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:46 am

dokidoki wrote:Unfortunately you can't prove much from the graph for AMV since it can mean different things, though I wonder what causes the Christmas spikes.
Maybe from people opening presents containing video players that use the propeitary amv format. :p


Qyot27: Ah yes, the wind up records incident. I forgot that happened around the same time... Unfortunately the graph can't isolate the specific impact each event in the org's history has had, just the overall picture of how things have been going. :(

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Re: The Org Redesign - What's wrong with the org?

Post by BasharOfTheAges » Wed Nov 03, 2010 11:49 am

Qyot27 wrote:It was surmised during that period that what essentially happened were many of the extremely casual viewers and editors were enticed by the streaming aspects of the Tube and jumped ship. There just happened to be a lot of them, but it didn't seem to really impact the forums, regardless of the Tube bashing that was going on. That bashing, as much as this has been reiterated over and over, is part of the perception of the Org as elitist and belittling to newbies, as that's often who YouTube caters to. The hostility towards the Tube wasn't necessarily directed at the newbies as it was the Tube's community trends (describe it as a circle-jerk or ego masturbation if you want) and being way too visible of a target.
It was surmised as such because most viewers, regardless of how many anecdotes people throw out about people they've talked to, don't go on the forums and have, therefore, never actually witnessed any of those sorts of behavioral characteristics. I'd wager there are more people that have been told we have a reputation for being <XYZ> than have ever actually themselves witnessed it and come to that conclusion on their own. It's a bit of a meme at this point. We need better PR.
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Re: The Org Redesign - What's wrong with the org?

Post by inthesto » Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:22 pm

BasharOfTheAges wrote:We need better PR.
SOLUTION: Make Kitsuner the literal poster boy of the Org.
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Re: The Org Redesign - What's wrong with the org?

Post by BasharOfTheAges » Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:39 pm

Discount Menu wrote:
BasharOfTheAges wrote:We need better PR.
SOLUTION: Make Kitsuner the literal poster boy of the Org.
New contest time?

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Post by inthesto » Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:52 pm

On a more serious note, that does give me an idea.

In addition to a front page AMV Spotlight, we could also do something like an Editor Spotlight. Have somebody be featured on the front page with a link to their profile, along with a biography written by somebody else with some fun stuff or an interview attached.
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Re: The Org Redesign - What's wrong with the org?

Post by Castor Troy » Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:00 pm

Zarxrax wrote:It's not only the userbase that is dying. It is the artform.
Even on youtube, amvs barely get any traffic unless you didn't upload it yourself. :roll:

The popular stuff on youtube regarding anime now are full episodes, short clips, parodies, and reviews. Ever since the dawn of youtube, new people have been less inclined to make amvs for some reason.
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Post by inthesto » Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:03 pm

Castor Troy wrote:Even on youtube, amvs barely get any traffic unless you didn't upload it yourself. :roll:
I always figured this was more attributable to the fact that there are so god damn many on YouTube. The signal to noise ratio there is really, really low, and considering the place doesn't cater to the artform at all, it makes sense that just about everything gets lost to each other.
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Post by Nya-chan Production » Wed Nov 03, 2010 1:09 pm

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