Grave of the Fireflies.

Timelessblurr · Post by **Timelessblurr** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:07 pm

Yep that what is technaly was (congress also can exstend how long the troops can be in on place)

Wykith · Post by **Wykith** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:11 pm

Timelessblurr wrote:Yep that what is technaly was (congress also can exstend how long the troops can be in on place)

Please tell me you're kidding. The evil empire gave Itself the right to have its troops wherever it wants. That's why they occupated the holy land, pissed off the arabs and lost their precious trade center. I don't want to sound condecending but are you saying it's only war if the U.S. president says it is?

Timelessblurr · Post by **Timelessblurr** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:24 pm

No it only war when congress declare war. The US gave it self the right to send troops like that with some act. (can some find out what it was for me because I do not rember anymore nor do I have my history notes any more)

Wykith · Post by **Wykith** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:30 pm

Timelessblurr wrote:No it only war when congress declare war. The US gave it self the right to send troops like that with some act. (can some find out what it was for me because I do not rember anymore nor do I have my history notes any more)

Timeless, listen to what you're saying. You mean I could come over to your house, bitch slap you, do your mom, eat your food, drink your beer, watch your tv and jerk off in your bed, go home and call it a friendly, temporary occupation.
If I were to do this, would you not consider it an act of war? Just because one side says "no, we're not fighting" doesn't mean it's not a fight.
I'm not constructing an argument about what the U.S. government has declared. I know your right about that. I'm trying to show how ignorant we would have to be to believe their bullshit.

Timelessblurr · Post by **Timelessblurr** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:44 pm

I agree. I think most of crap the US goverment does is Bull shit. hell it just a bunch of beurcrat trying to say in power buy saying there defending of from stuff that we should not be involed in the first place (by the way what did the topic start out as any how there no way that we are still under it)

Wykith · Post by **Wykith** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:46 pm

Actually, believe it or not, we are. Have you watched grave of fireflies? Heard the racist yet ignorant statements of Mr Oni on this thread?
It's all about war and how ridiculous we all know it is.

Timelessblurr · Post by **Timelessblurr** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:50 pm

No i can say I have never seen grave of fireflies. I going to download some so I can see what it about. what got me posting was ignorant statements by Mr Oni.

jonmartensen · Post by **jonmartensen** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:16 pm

It's only war when most of the other major nations disagree with what you are doing. Why do you think the UN can send "Peace Keepers" wherever is deemed necesary, because most of the major Nations agree to it.

The US was in Vietnam and Korea to help "defend" the nation against communist occupation (realise though, that this defense was given despite many citizens not wanting it). Dessert Storm was the removal of Iraqi armed forces from their occupation of Saudi Arabia.

Wykith wrote:I can't believe you would claim that WWII was "justice". I hate to say it but in this way, Sept. 11 was "justice" as well.

When you stated that, what were you refering to as not believing WWII was "justice"? The US was "neutral" when it came to WWII until the bombing of Pearl Harbor by Japan. The anniversary for that was just 5 days ago, Dec. 7th for those who didn't pay attention in history class. For the US, the Japanese did start the war. The US entered the war as retaliation and with the insight that the "Axis of Evil" did not intend to stop at anything short of world power.

Was the total retaliation of the US against the countries that started the war by attacking and conquering other countries not justice? Was using the full extent of the fighting ability available to the US not justified in the fight against an attempt by the "Axis of Evil" for world power? Was it not justice for the 5.1 Million victims of the Holocaust, 2.5 Million non-jewish polish, 7 Million Russions (all civilians)? 400,000 German citizens were killed in the bombing of Dresden and more people were killed in the Nanking Massacre's than both the Hiroshima and the Nagasaki atomic bombs killed (both instantly and over time due to radiation) combined. So I can hardly see how the US dropping "the bomb" is one of the most reprehensible acts of WWII.

Oh, and none of that is "propaganda" from the "evil empire"

, pure and straight up facts collected from multiple sources including but not exclusive to:
R.J. Rummel Professor Emeritus, Political Science, University of Hawaii
Dr. S. D. Stein, University of West England
District Court of Nanking
Kinder, The Anchor Atlas of World History
The Nuremberg Indictment
Gutman, Encyclopedia of the Holocaust

And to which "reproachable foreign policies" of the US were you refering, I want to know what warrants suicide attacks, and the destruction of skyscrapers? Is the US really that Evil, worse in it's politics than any other major power (China, Russia, Britain, India, Korea)? And if so, please give specific examples backed by fact, not your opinion .

The amazing thing about america is we don't hide our shame, or pretend things never happened, we openly view it and attempt not to make the same mistakes. If you disagree just think about all of the civil war movies, To Kill a Mokingbird, Movies about the loss and senslessness of WW I and II and the multitudes of TV shows that depicted US soldiers and their Enemy stranded together and actually living with each other rather than portraying the enemy as savages.

Wykith: WWII didn't end until 1945.

Wykith wrote:I can't believe you would claim that WWII was "justice". I hate to say it but in this way, Sept. 11 was "justice" as well....

...The evil empire has great propaganda but terrible results...

You shouldn't make blanket statements about "propaganda" and should read up on your world history a bit more before making judgments/comparisons between historical events. That comment relating Sep. 11th and WWII was way off.

Mr. Oni: quit being so rude

Uncle Milo: Don't hate, you could have prevented an argument about world history if you hadn't replied to Mr. Oni's post. He wasn't even that rude in his first post, but you let arguments that you have had with him before influence you.

CaT: At least you brought some reasonable discussion in.

Timeless: One of the few to get anything right about History, and you admit that you would have to look some things up to be 100% certain of your statements

KenShimazu: I'm sorry for some things that other people said that were rude, and sorry for the tidbits of History that I decided to post, but after some of Wykith's comments I had to post some factual information

. And I commend you for your selfcontrol

KenShimazu wrote:Although i have no problems with my friends or aquantences calling me "Jap" i find your usage of the statement within your post highly racial, and offensive.

I ask politely please do not use that term loosly again

and finally

Aether: You kept an un-biased view on most of this, and were rather reasonable. I commend you for maintaining an un-objectified view.
Two things though, the POW's that the US held were treated much, much, better than any of the POW's in Germany or Japan (though it sure as hell wasn't a nice stay, 50,000 German POW's died in American prison camps) and insulting doesn't help an argument, even if Mr. Oni overstepped the boundry of discussion into argument at some points (other people did too).

And now back to the topic.

I have never seen the movie grave of the fireflies, but from what MJ did with it in his AMV I can see that it is a very emotionally strong movie

. I almost cried just watching the AMV. I would definently like to see it sometime.

Mroni · Post by **Mroni** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 7:58 pm

Wykith wrote:Are you people even aware that the United States has lost EVERY war since 1942? The evil empire has great propaganda but terrible results. Mr Oni, as far as politics go, you are doing nothing but contradicting yourself left and right. You have tidbits of information here and there but no solid facts. I can't believe you would claim that WWII was "justice". I hate to say it but in this way, Sept. 11 was "justice" as well. "Justice" for the U.S's reproachable foreign policies. So if the score had already been settled, Afganistan was no longer "justice" but "murder".

We lost the korean war? Or desert storm? Name one major engagement won by the vietnamese army? Libya? Granada? We have been kicking ass and taking names my friend. Afghanistan is a shithole and we are doing whats right. You and milo must go to the same school.

Mr Oni

Timelessblurr · Post by **Timelessblurr** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:02 pm

Fine the viet con took south Vietnam captial any questions