New DMCA exemption

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Re: New DMCA exemption

Post by mitomimi » Thu Jul 29, 2010 1:33 am

BasharOfTheAges wrote: Since it has absolutely nothing to do with music (and even if it did, whole songs are non-transformative and used in their entirety... far above the 1/300 guideline they're currently deeming as a legit portion to even claim fair use), I'd say jack shit.

The stupid part is, this ruling is specific to pure CSS on DVDs. BRDs are a whole separate ball game, as are the DVDs that implement a combination of CSS and bad sector writes. Not so sure about dealing in the tools to break CSS though, unless they specifically stated it, i think those might be illegal still too.
After doki pointed me to this thread I was curious about this issue so pinged my colleague at UC Berkeley Law (and EFF fellow), Jason Schultz. He also has an upbeat take on this ruling in the San Francisco Chronicle, fwiw. I know the fight is far from over but those of us who have been trying to support the work to change policy on remix see this ruling as one significant step in the right direction.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... &type=tech

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You're right -- the battle to clear up the legal status of AMVs and other UGC/Remix genres will take some time, but this is a first step. The DMCA prohibitions on circumventing DRM are the strongest weapons in the MPAA/RIAA arsenal, and this ruling takes that arrow out of their quiver against actual artists who use movie content. While the ruling doesn't specifically extend to other forms of protection such as BRD or bad sectors, etc., the same underlying logic applies to why you should be able to circumvent those as well, and I expect that we will apply for exemptions that include them in the next round, two years from now.

As to the questions about tools, yes, this ruling doesn't apply to tools, but it will make enforcement against tools much harder now that the Copyright Office has ruled that these uses are valid. On the music front, there is also hope. The ruling states: "The final requirement of the recommended class is that the person engaging in the circumvention must reasonably believe that the circumvention is necessary in order to fulfill the purpose of the use i.e., the noninfringing criticism or commentary." This rule can apply to all copyrighted content, not just movie clips. So to the extent that you reasonably believe your use of music is necessary in order to fulfill the purpose of commenting on or criticizing the video content, you already have a good fair use argument that tracks the Copyright Office's logic. But there are also other arguments that courts have accepted in other cases, such as the creative/transformative nature of using the music (essentially making a new work of art) and that you use of the music was merely a "reasonable" choice instead of a "necessary" choice. While this ruling doesn't use those words, future rulings may, so don't give up hope yet for winning the fair use argument on these issues

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Re: New DMCA exemption

Post by Midnightowl999 » Fri Jul 30, 2010 4:50 am

In the end, I wonder what the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) (Go to wikipedia and put it in search engine in case you need to look it up.)) is going to do with this type of ruling. It might be interesting to see the results. Is the U.S. going to follow suit with the recommendations of the Copyright's Office or go all the way with the Trade Agreement as of the rest of the countries involved. I hope it's not a short lived victory for the AMV editor. There is going to be mass censorship issues if the ACTA goes in effect in the U.S. and other countries. It was meant to crack down pirating and I do respect it for that, but it might put an end to AMV for good or make it go further underground if the ACTA goes into effect in many countries. Making ripping a dvd for an amv that much more difficult or basically non-existant for distributing among fans like what a-m-v.org does. Who knows what it will bring, but I say thank you DokiDoki for bringing a breath of good news even it might be a temporary breath of fresh air................I certainly hope not. |:>
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Re: New DMCA exemption

Post by BasharOfTheAges » Fri Jul 30, 2010 9:50 am

If/when ACTA passes, it's a separate system than the one that just gave the DMCA exceptions. AFAIK, not only will DMCA exceptions no longer apply, but there won't be any such loopholes in ACTA to allow for fair use rights - a number of countries have already brought this up or have refused to sign for this reason.
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Re: New DMCA exemption

Post by guardiansoulblade » Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:00 pm

I thought the DMCA exception was for people who use DVD footage to make reviews and such, I don't think AMVs are covered, unless you wrote the song yourself.

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Re: New DMCA exemption

Post by GundalianSoul » Fri Aug 13, 2010 1:00 pm

This is amazing news. -goes to buy a sh,t load of dvds(:

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Re: New DMCA exemption

Post by Midnightowl999 » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:25 pm

Any updates would be most welcome on the status of Amvs. Please let me know! I have many friends who would like to know as well and are interested in what is happening. Please respond if any updates. Thank you kindly. It is very important for me to know as well. I want to see this art from weather this battle. Thanks!!!!!
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Re: New DMCA exemption

Post by FinalStand » Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:33 am

I would love to learn more too. My AMV is not on it's second take down by youtube. I know the next step means legal action and am a bit nervous as i did get reviews if it indeed was fair use >.<. Square Enix just went back in a had it disabled over video content. I am still new to the legals since for a long time I made amvs for cons and even got awards on some older ones. But with all these issue coming to the front it makes me nervous to submit anything anymore. Have we establish a list of amv friendly compainies?

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Re: New DMCA exemption

Post by Pwolf » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:29 pm

the DMCA exemptions don't make it legal to distribute. still... so square can still issue take downs and you can't do anything about it.

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