LOVE AND PEACE!!!

[rurouni_trelane]

Gad, I can't believe this... I just read the previous topic (about EK's leaving) and was sickened by it. People leaving the site, people getting upset about people announcing it, people telling other people to leave the site...
Come on guys... this type of topic post is the reason a-m-v.org is going down the crapper, not a bad review system or elitist attitudes. It's the fact that everyone gets so upset so easily. For some reason, at least one person always seems to feel obliged to take offense to every post on the site. I know life is hard, and the artistic creation process is frustrating, and dealing with other artists can be even more frustrating, but we should all really try to be a little more accepting of each other, despite our differences, and also try not to take out our frustrations on our fellow AMV creators.
This site is not just a catalog, it's a fellowship. We are a brotherhood (or sisterhood, whichever you like). We shouldn't be at each other's throats all the time. Despite everything we all share one thing in common, AMV creation, and that should be strong enough to bind us together as brothers and sisters, not arch-enemies and rivals.
Almost everyone that's posted in the EK-leaving post was right about at least one thing. But punistation, in your speech berating Maboroshi for being elitist, you yourself came off as an elitist as well, an elitist in the anti sense. Maboroshi, you did sound rather elitist and intolerant with your statements about the rating system and the VCAs; yes, all-10 reviews might not be objective, helpful, or meaningful, but they mean someone loves your video so much, they're left more or less speechless. Klinky, your passive-aggressive, uncaring attitude about the whole thing (and it's not just you; there are many people with the same problematic attitude) is only destructive, and serves no positive or helpful purpose. Now, no one single person is to blame in this, and no one should think such a thing; really, the only person who could possibly singlehandedly bring down the site is phade, and that, he is certainly not doing.
If anyone leaves this site, it is a sad, sad thing, because it means someone has been driven out of our family. All of us have seen it happen in real life, either in our own families or others', and we know how painful it is for the person driven out. Would we really wish this kind of pain on a member of our AMV family, much less a fellow human being? We may find ourselves annoyed, angry, frustrated, or infuriated by other members of our family, but they are family nonetheless; we cannot help that, and we really should do our best to put up with these problems.
Rozard had the right idea: there is a new generation of AMV creators being born; we are the new children of this family. People like EK, Kusoyaro, Brad deMoss, dokidoki... they are our elders. We all enjoy anime, so we all know the japanese family system: respect your elders above all else. We should take a cue from this, instead of shuffling our elders off to the old folks' home like we've done to EK. They may be elitist or egotistical, but they've been around the block; they know what they're doing, and we should learn from them, not only in their creations, but in their mistakes as well, both creatively and socially.
If we want a-m-v.org to be healthy and prosperous again, all of us need to work at being more tolerant of others. I even find myself getting angry at one or two creators sometimes (I won't name names), but I accept their presence on the site as a member of my family. We can all work together to make a-m-v.org a better place; yes, I know it sounds campy, stupid, and contrived, but it's the truth.
Sorry this was so long... thanks for reading it all, if you did. I hope we can all truly change the site for the better.

[AbsoluteDestiny]

I know your intentions are good but I don't think EK (or anyone really) would thank you for using so much geriatric imagery.

She's only 24

._.

[mexicanjunior]

Come on guys... this type of topic post is the reason a-m-v.org is going down the crapper, not a bad review system or elitist attitudes. It's the fact that everyone gets so upset so easily. For some reason, at least one person always seems to feel obliged to take offense to every post on the site.

That offends me! Screw you! ^_~

[Rozard]

AD: I know you were joking a little, rurouni was just trying to use graphic imagery. I was going to say something along the lines that the "masters" are getting old, but then someone would come back with what you said and really get pissed off about it.

rurouni: I'm glad someone sees it the way that I do. I also agree with what you said members having a passive-agressiveness. I was in Boy Scouts, and the whole purpose of the program is to develop leadership skills. Unfortunately, many troops are controlled by the adult leadership; they are supposed to be there to guide and advise the scouts in running the troop. My troop was pretty much boy run, and it was very frustrating when we would have meetings discussing what trip/activities we wanted to plan for the troop, and half of the troop would be like, "Nah, we don't want to do that." When we asked what they wanted to do, their response? "I don't know."

Well, at any rate, I don't think the ORG is going to die or anything, but it's definantely changing. Hopefully everything will work out fine, and no damage will be done to anyone or anything.

[Silvercat]

I agree with you rurouni.
I really didn't want to post much in the old forum because of the bad vibes in some threads and posts.

I'm hoping that this new design, this new format, will be a fresh start and the place can be a place I can go to for enjoyment and not have to be on guard that the post I click on will be turning rancid. (Was talking to a friend about rancid meat and stores. Must. Use. Word. )

So, lets all try and get along. Or I may have to hurt you!

J/K () ; )
[There is an evil Emoticon, but not one with a halo? ]

[Beowulf]

Rozard had the right idea: there is a new generation of AMV creators being born; we are the new children of this family. People like EK, Kusoyaro, Brad deMoss, dokidoki... they are our elders.

Man I tell you what. If Brad Demoss is my elder then I'm gonna drop his ass in a 4th rate nursing home as soon as I grow the strength to pick his vegtable self up.

The man should burn. This is the guy who won "best artistic" at A-Kon for a vid with ladybugs butt-fuckking and racoons playing the banjo.

Yeah thats about as artistic as a wart on my ass.


Don't get me wrong, doki, hi-sen, aluminum, and EK kick a collective metric ton of ass. Just not Brad.

[punistation]

Doesn't it seem rather odd to have a subject titled "Love & Peace", and then go on to individually list people, and the ways they sicken you?

And why a brand new thread to chastise us, Mark? Is your Reply somehow better than the other 35 people that've also replied to Mabo~san's topic, that you require your very own thread? Please note how I'm replying to this thread in the thread, not creating a new one to address it. I encourage you to do the same in the future, if only to keep topics from spilling all over the Forum.

It's just common sense.


Kisses XXOOXX
Jen

[rurouni_trelane]

The man should burn. This is the guy who won "best artistic" at A-Kon for a vid with ladybugs butt-fuckking and racoons playing the banjo.
Yeah thats about as artistic as a wart on my ass.

Have you seen any of his other videos? They're pure works of art. I was there at A-kon, I saw the Pon Poko video. A few things about it: one, people who were there told me that if you'd seen the movie it was from, it would make sense and leave you crying. Two, I didn't think it was very artistic either, but it *was* the most artistic video there, if be artistic you apply the definition "serious, avant garde artwork", which is what this category has turned into. I didn't like the vid either, but despite that, his other works have proven himself 10 times over. And let's not forget the DDR Project. Only an elder could have gathered that together.

[ZeWrestler]

I was in Boy Scouts, and the whole purpose of the program is to develop leadership skills. Unfortunately, many troops are controlled by the adult leadership; they are supposed to be there to guide and advise the scouts in running the troop

I have the same problem in my troop thats why when i got eagle i left, because the adults were just too much for me.

[rurouni_trelane]

Doesn't it seem rather odd to have a subject titled "Love & Peace", and then go on to individually list people, and the ways they sicken you?
And why a brand new thread to chastise us, Mark? Is your Reply somehow better than the other 35 people that've also replied to Mabo~san's topic, that you require your very own thread? Please note how I'm replying to this thread in the thread, not creating a new one to address it. I encourage you to do the same in the future, if only to keep topics from spilling all over the Forum.
It's just common sense.

To be honest, I started the new thread for two reasons: one, because it applies to everyone and every aspect of a-m-v.org, not just those involved in the EK-leaving thread. Two, I wanted it to stand out & be read and not buried in the many many replies that had already been registered in that particular thread.
Also, I did not say that any people sickened me. It was the overall feel of the thread that sickened me: intolerance and aggression. Note I cited you AND the person you were arguing against.
This is just what I was talking about. Even if you (or anybody else) disagreed with something I said, was it really worth getting so angry over that you posted it so that the whole site could see your anger? (I'm not saying that was your motive, mind you, that's just what the result was.) The new forum has a private message system now. If anybody has issues with something that I or anybody else has said, I wholeheartedly encourage you to use the private message system. This way, the whole site doesn't get dragged into individual peoples' arguments. puni, Beowulf, or anyone else: if you still want to argue about this, please PM me, and we'll talk it over in privacy. I'm not in this to be anyone's enemy, especially you, puni. I've enjoyed reading some of your posts in the past; they're very funny. We can work this out without bringing down the overall temperament of the site a notch.
Tolerance, everyone. Just because someone says something you don't like, doesn't mean you have to reply. Or if you have to, please try not to drag others into it.