Cyrix's SUPER easy ripping tutorial (Windows)

[Kionon]

Holy Hell.

The guy is just as entitled to make his shit as you are yours.
After all... what's one piece of trash over another... I mean... wait... you know I'm joking right

just saying

I think you're confusing just who is trying to limit whose rights. Cyrix is free to use this process, and he is free to offer his opinions. He is, however, in the minority, and others have just as much right to offer their own opinions about the ineffectiveness of his process. Apparently, he does not agree that others have just as much right to tell him he's wrong as he has to say that he is right.

I'm not saying he can't advocate for SUPER, I am saying he shouldn't. That's all.

[Cyrix]

No, you're saying people who don't do it your way shouldn't even try because their work is trash, they are lazy and cheap, and their work literally isn't worth watching. Your attitude is reprehensible. I'm not wasting more time talking to you.

[Kionon]

No, you're saying people who don't do it your way shouldn't even try because their work is trash, they are lazy and cheap, and their work literally isn't worth watching. Your attitude is reprehensible. I'm not wasting more time talking to you.

I never said any of the above. I do not hold the opinion you claim I do, and I never have. At no point did I say the words "trash" or "cheap" and I only asked if you were lazy: you, specifically, and no one else. My attitude is that anything worth doing is worth doing well. I also said that the only videos I am not interested in watching are videos by those who turn around and bite the hand that feeds them when it comes to constructive criticism.

Do not put words in my mouth or accuse me of being something I am not.

[Mister Hatt]

I use VLC player

You are forbidden from giving advice in the future. Thanks for playing.

I forgot to mention SUPER doesn't seem to be able to convert heavily copy-protected DVDs (Wolf's Rain turns into a garbled mess, but this also happens when I try to watch a VOB file off the disc by itself with VLC). Does AVI-synth bypass copy-protection more effectively?

So you don't even understand how SUPER works, or avisynth. AVS loads already decrypted content. SUPER uses an old version of libdvdcss as does VLC.

Crop the edges? Do you scale up the video to fill the space you cropped off?

No, he means learn what aspect ratio is.

I'm not sure if you understand what I'm doing. The only reason to leave a 2 second buffer is because the TC is in seconds and you might miss a few frames, or it might just be off by a second. This is rarely an issue but a few times I lost around 15 frames so I started using a small buffer. There's no problem in accuracy with the resulting DV AVI because it's frame accurate. There're no problems with transports, streams, or seeking.

So you didn't understand anything I said. If you cut on a GOP marker and force closed GOPs in the output stream, you won't have those cutting accuracy issues because it will snap to scene edges. If the timecode for cutting isn't in raw frames, then it sucks. Also you have no idea what a transport stream is or what I meant by seeking. Have you even read the avtech3 guide, shitty as it might be?

Are you getting your dvds from Japan? I said ntsc. If you get it in America its already 29.97fps. There is no loss in quality. Also not everything is interlaced.

Japan use NTSC you dolt, however anime isn't 29.970fps even if it's encoded so on the disk (with a few exceptions). Please learn what hard telecine is.

Did you work in the video industry? When I worked with a production company we used DV-AVI (or MOV on a MAC) for everything. Capture from camera to DV-AVI, edit the DV-AVI, export a DV-AVI and plug that into whatever DVD creation software we used. The miniscule loss of quality was considered acceptable for time and space tradeoffs. Since then the contract work I've done has always been Premiere with DV-AVI - small companies making 480i/p videos, but everyone worked the same.

I'm a professional encoder and for high bitrate lossy we use ProRes, HDCAM, or REDCode. If you're using Premiere in the industry, then your company must be pretty low-budget/quality. Same for DV. Kio has been working in a professional editing environment since before PCs were even used. I think we both trump you there.

I spend a very long amount of time on my videos. There's always going to be people who do above-professional-leve work and people with a god damned hobby doing something for fun. People who really care are still going to use AVI-synth but hopefully some people who don't want to deal with it can make some videos without it. If you can't accept there are people with different levels of involvement and dedication in making art without getting paid to do so, maybe you shouldn't be on the internet. It's ridiculously close-minded that you want to enforce your expectations of quality on everyone in the world, and prevent people from doing things the way they want to because it doesn't suit your personal standards.

Your work is nowhere near professional level, or even skilled enthusiast level. From the look of your guide, you don't spend much time at all seeing as it only takes 20 minutes to rip, index, and IVTC. Additionally, stop moralfagging. On the internet, what's to stop someone from trying to force their view on others like they're the greatest thing since themselves? Kio and Zarx are both well regarded in the AMV community and both consist of maybe five people in said community that I don't consider completely retarded. As for me being a dick, I'm a better encoder than you and that's not going to change any time soon you bigot. You're telling Kio to not be close minded yet in doing so you're guilty of exactly that.

GOOD GOD. Have you heard of children's sports? Softball? Playing a game on the "easy" difficulty setting?

Nobody plays Touhou on easymodo.

All in all, you're wasting people's time and then being stupid. You say you don't want to index but you don't even realise that SUPER is indexing. To conclude: dongz

[Cyrix]

You are forbidden from giving advice in the future. Thanks for playing.

VLC plays EVERYTHING with no performance issues. What do you use?

No, he means learn what aspect ratio is.

Crop the edges for the aspect ratio? Unless you mean fullscreen-to-widescreen cropping, which is stupid, cropping the edges isn't related to the aspect ratio. I assumed he meant the few rows/columns of black/solid color that border most DVD images.

If the timecode for cutting isn't in raw frames, then it sucks.

DV-AVI timecode is in raw frames. For the buffer I'm just talking about ripping the clip. You're tacking problems onto the codec that don't occur with the codec. You aren't dealing with an MPEG transport stream and there are no related seeking issues. Also, even the avtech3 guide says "Sometimes a bit of distortion can happen at the points you cut at, so it is best to include a little bit extra on both sides", you buffoon.

Japan use NTSC you dolt, however anime isn't 29.970fps

29.97 is part of the definition of NTSC.

ProRes, HDCAM, or REDCode.

Aren't these all HD formats?

You say you don't want to index but you don't even realise that SUPER is indexing

Right, SUPER is indexing. Am I doing it? Am I using multiple programs to do it or is it happening automatically?

[Kionon]

VLC plays EVERYTHING with no performance issues. What do you use?

This is not true. I mean, that's not my opinion. That's just a fact. You are actually factually inaccurate.

Crop the edges for the aspect ratio? Unless you mean fullscreen-to-widescreen cropping, which is stupid, cropping the edges isn't related to the aspect ratio. I assumed he meant the few rows/columns of black/solid color that border most DVD images.

I meant both. You must do both. And you need to crop before you resize or flag. This should be done prior to editing. Not in the editing suite.

29.97 is part of the definition of NTSC.

*sigh* But anime is not animated at 29.97, which means a conversion has been made you need to undo, even if the disc itself is encoded at 29.97.

Aren't these all HD formats?

ProRes 422 and 4444 are SD and HD. HDCAM is an HD version of Digital Betacam. REDCODE is also both HD and SD, it's an ultra high resolution codec, iirc. All can be used by the Final Cut family.

Right, SUPER is indexing. Am I doing it? Am I using multiple programs to do it or is it happening automatically?

Now that's just a silly response. Yes, you're doing it. The difference is in what comes before (decryption) and what comes after (processing).

[Mister Hatt]

Right, SUPER is indexing. Am I doing it? Am I using multiple programs to do it or is it happening automatically?

SUPER uses mencoder and/or ffmpeg depending on what it decides is better. Both of these use libavformat. A DVD VOB file is an MPEG-2 Program Stream. libavformat cannot seek properly in MPEG2-PS, it can only read sequentially. It therefore builds an index so it knows where things are and can then seek and do your cut. You were saying?

[Cyrix]

This is not true. I mean, that's not my opinion. That's just a fact. You are actually factually inaccurate.

What do you use? Also, find me something it doesn't play, because it plays FLV, MOV, AVI, WMV, VOB, MP4, every MPEG, etc, and within the containers XviD, DivX, h263, h264, DV-AVI, Cinepak, every MPEG again, etc etc etc.

SUPER uses mencoder and/or ffmpeg depending on what it decides is better. Both of these use libavformat. A DVD VOB file is an MPEG-2 Program Stream. libavformat cannot seek properly in MPEG2-PS, it can only read sequentially. It therefore builds an index so it knows where things are and can then seek and do your cut. You were saying?

It doesn't involve any input on my part nor the use of multiple problems. Like I said.

[Cyrix]

Wow. *multiple programs.

[Mister Hatt]

You said VLC plays h264 correctly. It doesn't. It also doesn't support FLV or MKV properly, and on VOB, TS, and M2TS it is iffy. It doesn't support MOV or MP4 properly either. It fails on AVI and WMV at times too. That's effectively every container you listed. As far as codecs, it craps bricks on non-1:1 PAR XviD/DivX. I haven't tried DV or Cinepak in it, nor h263, but I imagine they are just as broken. MPEG in VLC depends on which branch seeing as almost every codec you listed can be classed as "MPEG".