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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo deadline August 20

Post by ngsilver » Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:41 pm

Pwolf wrote:Honestly, I think it's no different then going to a con and sitting at the amv contest to watch action, leave while the drama category is playing, then come back for comedy. People do that all the time. It's not necessarily fair for the editors but you can't blame them for not liking those type of videos. Signing the waver is simply a legal thing, IMO. It no way implies you are have to watch that content. It's just something to make sure AWA isn't liable if someone underage enters the contest and watches them. You can't force someone to watch something they don't feel comfortable watching, that in of itself will probably result in that video not getting a vote if said person watches it. As an editor you have to take that into consideration when submitting a video, I know i do when ever I submit a drama video to a con. I know that a lot of people aren't going to sit through the drama category or enjoy it if they do.
But this isn't an exposition. Pro isn't a contest where you enter and then get to see all of the other entries just because you entered while some group of other people judge the competition. By entering Pro you are now a judge. That is the main draw of this competition, having your video judged by a group of other editors who also submitted to the contest.

When I'm called upon to judge a competition I make it a point to sit through each and every video despite liking the content/style/ect and judge each video based on it's own merits, strengths, and shortcomings. I would like to think I'm not the only person who does this when called upon to judge. I happen to be VERY biased against most drama and romance videos, I generally don't care for rap, and Death Note is my least favorite source as of late. However, despite all of that, I will sit down, watch, and judge every video no matter how much it may grate on my nerves. I grin and bear it because it is my duty as a judge to be fair to all entrants.

I really don't see how a competition where upon entering you're expected to judge can be the same as an exhibition at a convention. Are you saying that if you were running a contest you'd let your judges get up and walk out during the drama section because they don't like drama?

All I am trying to say is that as an entrant in pro it feels unfair to me to skip any video for any reason. I expect the same level of un-biased judgement toward my own videos as I give to each and every video. That is what I feel we are all called to do when we enter and are given the entries to judge. I could care less when, where, and how you view and subsequently judge the videos just as long as you judge all of them.
kholaras wrote:As I said, it's just a slightly alternative way of interpreting the L's and H's. As ngsilver said, the Perfect Blue vid isn't hentai, but we can't show it to a general crowd (it'll have to go with the 18+ material). Stuff with L's are in the strong PG-13 type range for whatever reason, but this year it's mostly language (though this would also include violence usually). As stated, this was just a first pass classification, stuff is subject to go up or down depending on the judgement of folks higher up the totem pole that liable for any complaints that could be made.
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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo deadline August 20

Post by CodeZTM » Sat Aug 14, 2010 5:55 pm

godix wrote: OTOH if Code (or anyone else who skipped the videos) doesn't vote for anything at all, then no problem. He's just a viewer and as you say, viewers skip shit all the time. When he entered he agreed to be a judge. He was warned ahead of time there may be hentai vids, and if he's familiar with past Pro contests then he would have known 'may...' actually means 'definitely will...' But what the hell, as long as he doesn't cast a single vote then it doesn't matter since there are 59 other judges who are willing to treat the entries fairly and watch the whole thing.
That's actually the reason why I watched them, because I was under the impression we had to watch them all, for better for worse. Like I said, it's not my cup of tea, but I knew from the beginning I'd have to watch the stuff. Although, I wasn't prepared for THAT level of content. Hence, my original statement. |:>

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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo deadline August 20

Post by godix » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:07 pm

CodeZTM wrote:That's actually the reason why I watched them, because I was under the impression we had to watch them all, for better for worse. Like I said, it's not my cup of tea, but I knew from the beginning I'd have to watch the stuff. Although, I wasn't prepared for THAT level of content. Hence, my original statement. |:>
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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo deadline August 20

Post by SailorDeath » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:12 pm

CodeZTM wrote:That's actually the reason why I watched them, because I was under the impression we had to watch them all, for better for worse. Like I said, it's not my cup of tea, but I knew from the beginning I'd have to watch the stuff. Although, I wasn't prepared for THAT level of content. Hence, my original statement. |:>

I'm sure most creators who entered had the same impression. I've always been under that impression. In fact if I remember correctly the rules used to say that we were required to watch all the videos and we may have to watch up to 6 hours of entries. The nice part is we can watch it any way we want. In small sittings, all at once, in a group or by ourselves. I have to do it for the acen entries. Like ngsilver, I don't care much for romance or drama, but when it comes to judging I don't let that bias effect me. If I did acen would only have 2 drama and romance entries and the rest would be filled from other categories. But I want to make sure each category gets the attention it deserves. Its also why we aim to have each category balanced.

One of my amv creator friends mentioned to me how back in 2004 when I made the Urotsukidoji video 3d and the EP and he was shocked to see it (this was before we met, and it was his first time entering AWA Pro) That video won best comedy in Pro. It might not have if people skipped it because they knew it was a Hentai video.
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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo deadline August 20

Post by Pwolf » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:25 pm

I think my example was terrible... I just don't think someone who enters Pro (or any contest for that matter) should be forced to watch a video they would feel uncomfortable watching just because they signed something saying they are 18+ years old. I think if it was a mandatory requirement to watch every video then there would be a lot less entries cause there are people out there who wont watch certain things. Would a reasonable solution be to opt out of judging but still be allowed to submit?

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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo deadline August 20

Post by NS » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:27 pm

Pwolf wrote:I think my example was terrible... I just don't think someone who enters Pro (or any contest for that matter) should be forced to watch a video they would feel uncomfortable watching just because they signed something saying they are 18+ years old. I think if it was a mandatory requirement to watch every video then there would be a lot less entries cause there are people out there who wont watch certain things. Would a reasonable solution be to opt out of judging but still be allowed to submit?

If you can't watch everything that comes your way then don't fucking enter :\

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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo deadline August 20

Post by Pwolf » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:37 pm

NS wrote:
Pwolf wrote:I think my example was terrible... I just don't think someone who enters Pro (or any contest for that matter) should be forced to watch a video they would feel uncomfortable watching just because they signed something saying they are 18+ years old. I think if it was a mandatory requirement to watch every video then there would be a lot less entries cause there are people out there who wont watch certain things. Would a reasonable solution be to opt out of judging but still be allowed to submit?

If you can't watch everything that comes your way then don't fucking enter :\
If thats how it's supposed to be then add it to the rules.

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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo deadline August 20

Post by NS » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:39 pm

But like others have touched on... You expect people to give you the couresty of watch and judging your video, but won't even return the favor? yah, there is some bullshit godix pulls and stuff, and I would just rate it as a 0, but fucking grow a pair and watch a video, It's really not difficult, and if it offends you then enter expo.

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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo deadline August 20

Post by Pwolf » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:52 pm

Expo isn't judged the same way. A lot of people, including myself like entering because of the blind nature of the contest. no rule that says you have to watch every video and if you can't do that, then you can't enter. A lot of people would like the contest to only be new, never before released videos also, but there's no rule against it. People expect it, but it doesn't happen cause it's not a requirement.

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Re: AWA 2010 - Pro downloads active; Expo deadline August 20

Post by NS » Sat Aug 14, 2010 6:57 pm

whatever, It just makes no fucking sense to me that you would enter this contest and then not go through with the written and maybe even unwritten rules. actually, fuck rules. It's fucking common courtesy.

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