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Re: Track Listings for Meps?

Post by Nya-chan Production » Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:52 pm

gote wrote:that's frustrating in many situations and it'd be a little better to know which track is whose beforehand. If you see it in the end credits, then if you're interested, you'll go look through the tracks and count until you reach the track, and then you watch it again because now you know it's someone you know, and the whole process is just annoying, if you read it in the desc then you know beforehand and you can be keeping an eye out for a particular track. Let's face it, there are hardly any meps where we really wanna see every single track, anyway. Besides, who stays around for the end credits?

if everyone put it in the video info anyway, then i wouldn't have even brought it up, but i barely see that happening.
Well, people probably don't do it right because of that - it's unfair to the creators when the viewer is biased and skips tracks.

Btw, when I watch MEP I DO watch it completely and I DO watch credits.
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Re: Track Listings for Meps?

Post by NS » Sun Jul 25, 2010 4:59 pm

I like this idea, but it would have to include timestamps... a lot of meps do good jobs at track transitions and it can be hard to tell when each new segment comes in, and you may lose track of who edited which part if you are trying to find out...

Case in point, took me quite a while to find out Rozard edited the BECK track in RoS3

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Re: Track Listings for Meps?

Post by JaddziaDax » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:27 pm

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gote wrote:that's frustrating in many situations and it'd be a little better to know which track is whose beforehand. If you see it in the end credits, then if you're interested, you'll go look through the tracks and count until you reach the track, and then you watch it again because now you know it's someone you know, and the whole process is just annoying, if you read it in the desc then you know beforehand and you can be keeping an eye out for a particular track. Let's face it, there are hardly any meps where we really wanna see every single track, anyway. Besides, who stays around for the end credits?

if everyone put it in the video info anyway, then i wouldn't have even brought it up, but i barely see that happening.
Well, people probably don't do it right because of that - it's unfair to the creators when the viewer is biased and skips tracks.

Btw, when I watch MEP I DO watch it completely and I DO watch credits.
Exactly a mep is meant to be watched as a whole piece not to be skipped around in..

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Re: Track Listings for Meps?

Post by Ileia » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:32 pm

Besides, if you can skip around the file to watch the segments you want, then you can skip to the end to check the credits.
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Post by Kitsuner » Sun Jul 25, 2010 5:55 pm

NS wrote:Case in point, took me quite a while to find out Rozard edited the BECK track in RoS3
You didn't see that the anime was playing while his name was on the screen during the credits?
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Re: Track Listings for Meps?

Post by gotegenks » Sun Jul 25, 2010 6:54 pm

Nya-chan Production wrote: Well, people probably don't do it right because of that - it's unfair to the creators when the viewer is biased and skips tracks.
well personal biases are your own thing, if you're gonna be a little shit like that then, hey, you gotta do you.
but to not have this so you can trick them into liking something by someone they don't like is a bad reason imo. Chances are the editor isn't overly fond of his hater either so who gives a shit?
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Nya-chan Production wrote:Btw, when I watch MEP I DO watch it completely and I DO watch credits.
Exactly a mep is meant to be watched as a whole piece not to be skipped around in..
i guess that's just me then, i end up watching the whole thing sooner or later (if i like what i've seen), but for really big meps i usually find a track i'm not feeling and start to skip around. Short attention span i guess.
Ileia wrote:Besides, if you can skip around the file to watch the segments you want, then you can skip to the end to check the credits.
gote wrote:If you see it in the end credits, then if you're interested, you'll go look through the tracks and count until you reach the track, and then you watch it again because now you know it's someone you know or something, but the whole process is just annoying if you read it in the desc then you know beforehand and you can be keeping an eye out for a particular track.
this whole idea is just to provide solid info that would be more-or-less required on MEPs and would make lives simpler for more impatient viewers and make it somewhat easier to access (particularly with meps that only credit people in the end credits) as opposed to having the file on-hand. Some of us need to tidy up our HDDs every once in a while and huge video files that are often speckled with bad segments (some of the time, not all the time) are probably going to be deleted. Sure there's the preview, sure there are ways around it but it's a lot simpler/easier/better/more convenient to have it in the info. Everyone that wants to blindly judge 30 straight minutes (at most) of video can still do as they please by averting their gaze from the track-listing box!
NS wrote:I like this idea, but it would have to include timestamps... a lot of meps do good jobs at track transitions and it can be hard to tell when each new segment comes in, and you may lose track of who edited which part if you are trying to find out...
Timestamps would be really nice :o
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Re: Track Listings for Meps?

Post by Nya-chan Production » Sun Jul 25, 2010 7:37 pm

gote wrote:
Nya-chan Production wrote: Well, people probably don't do it right because of that - it's unfair to the creators when the viewer is biased and skips tracks.
well personal biases are your own thing, if you're gonna be a little shit like that then, hey, you gotta do you.
but to not have this so you can trick them into liking something by someone they don't like is a bad reason imo. Chances are the editor isn't overly fond of his hater either so who gives a shit?
... what? O.o SOme aspects of modern English just escape me, it seems...
It's not because of "liking/hating", it's because MEPs are supposed to be one piece. Not "AMVs from editors put together" but "one MEP by a group of editor". If you can't take it like that, there's no point in watching MEPs in the first place - when you see your favorite editor in the listing just ask him to release his/her track alone ;x
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Re: Track Listings for Meps?

Post by Kitsuner » Mon Jul 26, 2010 12:41 am

Nya-chan Production wrote:It's not because of "liking/hating", it's because MEPs are supposed to be one piece. Not "AMVs from editors put together" but "one MEP by a group of editor". If you can't take it like that, there's no point in watching MEPs in the first place - when you see your favorite editor in the listing just ask him to release his/her track alone ;x
Exactly. They might be listed the same way, but cohesive collaborations are very different from compilations of similar videos.
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Re: Track Listings for Meps?

Post by gotegenks » Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:40 am

Kitsuner wrote:
Nya-chan Production wrote:It's not because of "liking/hating", it's because MEPs are supposed to be one piece. Not "AMVs from editors put together" but "one MEP by a group of editor". If you can't take it like that, there's no point in watching MEPs in the first place - when you see your favorite editor in the listing just ask him to release his/her track alone ;x
Exactly. They might be listed the same way, but cohesive collaborations are very different from compilations of similar videos.
Mkay, let's separate meps into "Cohesive Collaborations" and "Compilations" I'd say there's a good amount of each, right? Let's label the compilations so people aren't butthurt about their A-M-V episodes being labeled.
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Re: Track Listings for Meps?

Post by JaddziaDax » Mon Jul 26, 2010 2:07 am

I still wouldn't do it because I'm too lazy to fill out that much information and I already put it into the end credits... Your arguments still don't change that...

Note: I'm speaking as a mep coordinator... even if the option was there I still won't do it.

and if you want to skip over pieces to see your friend's piece then ask your friend to release that piece as a stand alone, then get it instead (as was already mentioned), either that or ask your friend to send you just their track.

Not the org's place to compensate for your short attention span imho.

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