IC standards?

[godix]

I tend to go with which one I can tell was edited the most/best and keep an eye out for cheap crowd (judge?) pandering tricks as well. Humor or kawaii, for example, are ways to try and make a mediocre editing job appear better than it is. The few times I've been asked to judge, often the video I picked to win was less entertaining to me than the other, but it was clearly better edited which is what an IC is about I think.

Sometimes random change plays a role too, if the source just plain doesn't match the song that often ends up as a loser. Yeah, I know the source is selected before you know the audio, but still, if I'm watching a video that tried to turn K-On into some angst action video then fate just boned ya. Sucks to be you, loser.

[Knowname]

this video was basically video #1! it don't got many edits, cuz it don't NEED many edits! I still don't think it should have lost (and the star rating it's gotten since is LESS than 2.5! You'd think it curses the audience' mother and rapes your sister!! Where in reality it only does the second part) I am rather amused at how badly it gets taken though...

[MycathatesyouAMV]

If I judged on based on what I enjoyed more, my judgement would be flawed. Because for example Im going to greatly enjoy something decent with my favorite anime more than something with an anime dislike but it was edited great. So I choose which I think is the best.

There is a difference between liking a video more and which you think is better.

[JaddziaDax]

but we are talking about videos using the same source, not different sources

[EvaFan]

often the video I picked to win was less entertaining to me than the other, but it was clearly better edited which is what an IC is about I think.

Just to play devil's advocate, would you pick the food that was alot better prepared/presented or the food that tastes alot better for a real IC if you judged?

[BasharOfTheAges]

often the video I picked to win was less entertaining to me than the other, but it was clearly better edited which is what an IC is about I think.

Just to play devil's advocate, would you pick the food that was alot better prepared/presented or the food that tastes alot better for a real IC if you judged?

Uh... you might want to rethink that analogy if your aim is a rhetorical question. The real IC has 3 categories for judging (Taste, Originality, and Presentation) - 2 out of the 3 have nothing to do with how the food tastes.

[EvaFan]

often the video I picked to win was less entertaining to me than the other, but it was clearly better edited which is what an IC is about I think.

Just to play devil's advocate, would you pick the food that was alot better prepared/presented or the food that tastes alot better for a real IC if you judged?

Uh... you might want to rethink that analogy if your aim is a rhetorical question. The real IC has 3 categories for judging (Taste, Originality, and Presentation) - 2 out of the 3 have nothing to do with how the food tastes.

Blah, maybe a bad analogy though I wasn’t worried about originality concerning what he said, I listed presentation...

What I meant with that analogy btw was, what’s the point of voting for a perfected process if the end product wasn’t as good as something that wasn’t perfected and yet the product was great? The editing would be the process but the AMV is the final product. Meh, just doesn’t make sense to me. Though looking back on it both enjoyment and what we think is better editing are considered biased.

What I wondered most about what he said was why he’d vote for something that’s “clearly better edited” when he couldn’t enjoy it as much. If it’s clearly better edited then shouldn’t he have enjoyed it more? I mean unless there’s freaking hentai on it (were talking about godix here ) I can think of no other reason he would enjoy it more (favorite anime/song perhaps, though that’s insignificant enough to effect overall enjoyment). I would think enjoyment plays a part in what we think is better edited when it comes to AMVs unless “clearly better editing” can be defined in a uniform way, enjoyment can’t either which is why I’m wondering. I guess it’s just our differences in what IC’s are about.

[godix]

often the video I picked to win was less entertaining to me than the other, but it was clearly better edited which is what an IC is about I think.

Just to play devil's advocate, would you pick the food that was alot better prepared/presented or the food that tastes alot better for a real IC if you judged?

If I was supposedly supposed to judged based on quality and presentation, then yes. I would. If I was picking on what I thought tasted best, well, hope you didn't use liver in your recipe since I hate that no matter how good of a cook you are.

To discard the analogy and go back to IC judging, I don't like action videos. I do like lighthearted upbeat type vids. Now imagine if I were judging an IC. One person does an action video which has brilliant editing, great timing, and impressive skills. I recognize the effort and talent in it, but I don't enjoy it because I just don't like action videos that much. The other person puts together a sloppy poorly timed and barely edited lighthearted upbeat vid where I recognize the flaws but like it anyway just because I enjoy dance vids. Now, which of the two would you hope a decent judge would pick?

Incidentally, that's not entirely a made up example. It comes from an IC within the last week where I was one of the judges. The difference in editing quality wasn't extreme like I just presented, they were actually close enough it was a kinda tough call. One was fairly straightforward actiony editing, the other tried for a more lighthearted upbeat feel. I preferred the upbeat type vid because I just don't like action. However, I choose the action like vid as winner because I thought it matched the song better and was slightly better edited. My biases should be only my concern, the editors involved shouldn't have to worry about pandering to my taste.

[EvaFan]

Meh, I think in your case if I was you I would have enjoyed the action vid more just because it was better edited. Though that's because I don't really hate any type of AMV and can enjoy just about anything as long as its edited well.

Your reasonings behind "better editing" may be different from someone else:

However, I choose the action like vid as winner because I thought it matched the song better and was slightly better edited. My biases should be only my concern, the editors involved shouldn't have to worry about pandering to my taste

Who's to say someone else thought the editing was great (In terms of what they think is better editing) for the lighthearted upbeat vid, I don't think you're completely cleared of bias either way. For me, I'd rather rate by just overall enjoyment, probably because I'm very open on AMV's in terms of what I'm capable of enjoying. Maybe for you since you hate action vids alot, you feel your being overly biased so you judge the way you do. Anyway Interesting stuff here .

[BasharOfTheAges]

EvaFan: That's why judges are picked - they offer expertise. They possess an understanding of the subject and are considered well educated in the field. There's a reason you see the same judges appear on Iron Chef time and time again. Any biases they have are outweighed by their recognized skill in judging and the value given to their usually impartial decisions.