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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Post by Radical_Yue » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:20 pm

milkmandan wrote:
Radical_Yue wrote:If he's got too much on his plate then why not ask for a little bit of help from those who know what they're doing?
Once again, on a technical aspect, the contest was run flawlessly.
Ryvannis has a point, but i can definitely see where you are coming from. However, with the situation Anime Expo is in, and the staffing situation, this year was difficult to get additional help, as everything is volunteered based and not many people wanna work for free. If anything, you should offer your help Yue. You have a good eye for things.

Not to worry though, as the convention stabilizes from the 'drama' that surrounds it, naturally things will get better. If anything, Michael is the man to trust to get things running the best of the best.

I've actually never heard of anyone asking for payment for judging for ANY contest I've ever entered or talked to the coordinators about. But hell yes. I would be more than happy to help judge these kind of things. Ask other coordinators, I offer my help all the damn time. I'll be harsh but honest.

Sorry, the reason I've been all over this thread is just because I'm incredibly passionate about the subject and I despise what AMVs are nowadays. And to have one of the biggest cons around showcasing crap makes me sick.

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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Post by Radical_Yue » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:28 pm

otohikoamv 3:20 pm
and yeah, I totally agree that "too much on his plate" is not an excuse
RadicalYue 3:21 pm
The whole "maybe he mixed things up" bit made me want to vomit
otohikoamv 3:21 pm
I think AX staff would have a lot more reason to bitch if the con wasn't as huge and expensive as it is
yeeeeeeeeeeeeah
that's just unprofessional
RadicalYue 3:22 pm
The only excuse for MAJOR blunders happening 4 times in the past 4 years is just plan moronic carless bullshit
otohikoamv 3:22 pm
indeed
RadicalYue 3:22 pm
And those are just the MAJOR ones that people notice
Like a Death Note comedy video winning drama :-\
otohikoamv 3:22 pm
plus the whole thing about "oh it's not the same with Mitch, you have to keep blahblahblah in mind"
I don't think it's even about the comparison
lol, oh god
yeah...
RadicalYue 3:22 pm
3 major cons in Europe Vs. 1 in the us where they don't seem to give a shit
I'd be happy just to know how the judging is done to find out how they pick the entries :-\
otohikoamv 3:24 pm
I think the bottom line is that if a volunteer invited to even a smaller con does a better job than a staffer at a bigger con, then it only looks worse on the bigger con
RadicalYue 3:24 pm
Indeed.
otohikoamv 3:24 pm
like seriously, the whole bleeding heart thing about that is really not fair
they're responsible for the con, and if they fuck up it's their fault and should make the con look worse
and make them learn instead of making excuses
^^^

Ohay, Yue isn't the only one who thinks shits f'd up :/

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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Post by milkmandan » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:30 pm

Radical_Yue wrote:Sorry, the reason I've been all over this thread is just because I'm incredibly passionate about the subject and I despise what AMVs are nowadays. And to have one of the biggest cons around showcasing crap makes me sick.
Trust me Yue, your input is a good reminder of where the contest still needs to improve. Being passionate is a good thing. :)
But yeah, about the staffing issue, just in general, the back end staffing for AX has been a big drama ball this year. :( it is unfortunate things had to go the way they did.
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Post by Castor Troy » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:41 pm

If I wasn't working full time, I'd definitely offer my help. Even if I can't compete in the contest.

I'll sponsor the whole contest with my own money if I have to. :x
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Post by Radical_Yue » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:43 pm

Castor Troy wrote:If I wasn't working full time, I'd definitely offer my help. x
Damn that Chairface! >:O

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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Post by NightHawk » Thu Jun 17, 2010 4:54 pm

Yeah, I've actually been pretty disappointed about some videos that really should have made the cut that just somehow didn't. It makes you wonder what's going on in the judging process.

But you can't really blame them for videos that 'look' good but really don't have much editing to them like My Drive Thru and Duvet. People make mistakes. I wouldn't have been able to tell the difference as I'm not familiar with the Persona series. But now that it's out in the open, I fully expect something to be done about it. It would be a mistake not to, not to mention having the contest itself be dealt a blow by letting something like this happen even after it's brought to attention. Both the videos should be DQ'd and 2 AMV's that should have made the contest before be added into the list. If this doesn't happen, respect for the contest will definitely lower.

Even with all of this, I'd love to help in any way I can. Similar to s0ma, as he mentioned in a previous post, AX was what really got me into AMV's. My first AMV contest was at AX '05 and after the contest in '06, I told myself I'd make an AMV worthy to be in the contest. And I made it into the contest come '07 with Be My Girl. This contest is the highlight of my AX and I hate to see it be less than it can be. I would be more than willing to help out with the judging if it didn't DQ me from the contest.

Yue, thanks for pointing out those 2 videos. I wouldn't have seen how ridiculous they are otherwise. Even though you're very blunt and brash, you make very valid points. It's great you're so passionate about the contest. I know Michael is a very very busy man, as I've seen firsthand, but this is his contest, so I honestly feel he should make sure everything is run the best. The way the contest itself is run is pretty much flawless, which is GREAT. I love how smoothly everything has been run ever since he took over. A great relief from the previous years and blunders. But now, I think the judging needs to be perfected. The problems that have stemmed from this year and last year has been from that stage and that stage only. Everything else is perfect. The judging needs an overhaul, imo. And again, I would love to help in any way I can...I just don't want my entries to be DQ'd. lol
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Post by Rider4Z » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:10 pm

Michael's made very clear he's getting help next year. Everything really got dumped on him this year because he stayed, while tons of staff either quit or were let go. i don't know the personal situation with his assistant from last year, but by the time he realized he could use a couple extra hands (which was several months ago mind you) almost all the people he knew he could trust had entered the contest already. and he's not the guy who's about to ask you to withdraw from the contest so it lighten's his load.

Michael's very passionate about amvs and wants the most awesome of shows as much as any of us.

Radical Yue, i know you're venting but you need to take a breather before this turns into a hate fest and other people get sucked into the flaming. But i agree with Ryvannis in thinking you would be a good addition in the production of this show. (i don't know if you enter or even live near LA but nonetheless...)

...I didn't want to but i may give up entering next year so i can help Michael out as well. I'm sick of the drama. Not saying there wouldn't be any but i do my best to avoid it... (i'm sure niotex is laughing out loud but you get my point)

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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Post by LittleAtari » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:11 pm

*sigh*
Yue, I do have to ask you to gain a little composure here for the sake of not only making sure that you remain looking respectable but also for the names of others that you're using in your posts. For the most part, I'll let Niotex comment on whatever you've said in reference to him because I do think that you're a little mistaken as to what his role in the European AMV contests are. I will say this though: AX is a much larger Con than those conventions. Heck, AX is one of the largest Cons in the US. So of course it's a big deal when something like this happens or goes wrong.

First off, yes the whole 'a lot on their plate' excuse may not cut it. Mainly because the idea is that when you are given a job, you are expected to complete it to the best of your abilities. It is a part of this 'plate' in the main course. It is not a side dish or desert. It's just as important as whatever else you need to attend to. However, that only works on a conceptual level and we all know sometimes it's hard to get stuff done when life his you with a million things. I am sympathetic to the idea that he may have a lot going on, but at the same time, everyone needs to keep in mind that a job is a job. It needs to be done.

Second, flat out, mix ups do happen. You cannot expect things to be perfect and if you expect it to be perfect, well then you're just crazy. It never works out that way. Especially when it comes to bigger events, something will always go wrong. Yes, it's a big deal when they do happen, but the only way to fix that is to see how you can deal with situation. Sometimes, you cant fix it immediately, but you can fix it for the next time around. In this case, it would be to avoid errors like this for next year's convention. I'm sure most AMV convention contest coordinators, even Niotex, can give you a list of everything that goes wrong at their conventions and how they have to deal with them. They can all also tell you about all the heat they get for it, just like the heat that you all are bringing to this thread.

Third, Digital Panther may be the face of this AMV contest, but he isn't the only one behind it. There is a lot going on behind the scenes that you do not know about. Other people are also pulling strings here that Digital Panther has to deal with. So when frequent entries, like Rider, Kazemon15, Hagaren, say that they understand the situation, I respect that because I do know that this is their main Convention and I do know that they know the contest a little better. Now, all the entrants have already shown their distaste for what's going on. If AX has any hint of logic, they will acknowledge that these people are their usual entrants and their opinion is valuable.

Also, Yue, I can't help but think that this has quite a bit to do with editors you like and are friends with not making it in. Right now, you coming in the way you are, is not making them look any better. All the entrants have said that they dont understand how certain videos got in while others didnt. We know something went wrong. Give the contests coordinators a little bit of time to give a final statement about what they're doing. Honestly, there are certain videos that I would have loved to see make it in, some of which were the videos you mentioned in previous posts.

I think right now, we should leave the entrants to talk to the contest coordinators about what's going on because it does need to be talked about. I know some people here with a little more knowledge and who are more involved will be willing to have a respectable conversation about what's going on.

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Rider4Z wrote: ...I didn't want to but i may give up entering next year so i can help Michael out as well. I'm sick of the drama. Not saying there wouldn't be any but i do my best to avoid it... (i'm sure niotex is laughing out loud but you get my point)
Honestly Rider, there's nothing to laugh about there. I think you're making a responsible decision. You see something wrong that feel strongly about and you fix it. It's as simple as that.

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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Post by The Wired Knight » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:27 pm

My two cents


Quality control basically screwed this one up. Do I blame Michael? No; actually I think Michael is the least responsible for this foul up over anybody. Michael more than once as I recall has listed videos he would have rather seen in the finals than some of the work that makes it there. Why? Cause he's only one voice in voting when there is a good sized group doing it. Does that excuse this foul up? Meh not really, it's not that I expect people to be familiar with everything out there because let's face it, that's virtually impossible. The thing I think that should have been checked is that this guy's entires in particular should have been up to higher scrutiny after the Zetsubou incident last year.

Frankly I think that the only thing that can be done at this point is to DQ those videos - AX might lose some face for doing a retroactive DQ but I think it will be worse to let them stay in when this has come to light. Like I said earlier - we won't be the only ones to notice that the video is undedited, and word spreads fast at AX and people will notice - Persona has a large following and people will catch on. Micheal has worked too long and too hard to restore the AX AMV contest to its former glory to risk having its reputation shot by something like this - and I applaud him for working in the face of so much adversity.

In regards to entry quality as a whole, I respect that everybody's tasetes differ but I can't help but think that some people's opinoins are due to a lack of interest in AMVs outside of AX. I have one friend who has been on the judging panel for a number of years (will not name a name for risk of him catching flack) who I ask what he thought of the entires as a whole each AX. Generally he seems consistently unimpressed. A number of my other friends wonder why AX doesn't get the quality of videos that AWA gets. Thusly I do not think it is EVER a good idea to abandon AX, if there's one thing Michael has no control over it's the quality of the videos he recieves and if all the editors start throwing a fit about it and don't enter it will just make things worse - not better. I don't know, my work didn't make it in but I've been editing too long to be offended by my work not getting into a contest. I'm more ashamed that something like this guy snuck by AGAIN.

My advice? I honestly don't think we even need new people on the judging staff if this is the only thing we're trying to avoid. If you just have a few editors do quality control check on the videos afterwards to avoid a hack effort like this from making it in there is no conflict of interest. You just pre-submit the list of finalists and have those eidtors check out the video and get back to you if they caught that one of the videos is virtually unedited like these have been - it's an easy thing to cross-check and show proof of. Then if one falls out because of it you filter in the next highest scoring video. It will delay finalist postings by a bit but honestly I'd rather have that then another fiasco.
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Re: Anime Expo 2010 Anime Music Video Contest Rules Up

Post by Rider4Z » Thu Jun 17, 2010 5:31 pm

The Wired Knight wrote:My two cents


Quality control basically screwed this one up. Do I blame Michael? No; actually I think Michael is the least responsible for this foul up over anybody. Michael more than once as I recall has listed videos he would have rather seen in the finals than some of the work that makes it there. Why? Cause he's only one voice in voting when there is a good sized group doing it. Does that excuse this foul up? Meh not really, it's not that I expect people to be familiar with everything out there because let's face it, that's virtually impossible. The thing I think that should have been checked is that this guy's entires in particular should have been up to higher scrutiny after the Zetsubou incident last year.

Frankly I think that the only thing that can be done at this point is to DQ those videos - AX might lose some face for doing a retroactive DQ but I think it will be worse to let them stay in when this has come to light.
if anything Michael can just blame us for nagging him to get the %$*#ing list out. OKAY OKAY HERE! whiners! :lol:

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